Oregon The Hidden Danger Of Gov. Brown's HB 2251

[etrain16]

Thinking out side the box here, wouldn't the 9th ruling that upholds the Fed judges injunction also apply to all states coverd by the 9th ruling? Seems to me, Oregon and its corrupt politicians and superior court would be null and void by the 9ths ruling, which puts a huge dent in the upcoming anti 2nd legleslation! Any one know if this holds true?

I'm definitely no expert, but I've come to learn that there can be a variety of different ways that rulings and judgments are given. Some can apply broadly, some can be very narrow and specific. It's not necessarily a given that a ruling in one case will automatically apply in other cases. More of an attorney question, but that's my rudimentary understanding.

 

[arakboss]

Thinking out side the box here, wouldn't the 9th ruling that upholds the Fed judges injunction also apply to all states coverd by the 9th ruling? Seems to me, Oregon and its corrupt politicians and superior court would be null and void by the 9ths ruling, which puts a huge dent in the upcoming anti 2nd legleslation! Any one know if this holds true?

I would think so, but I am not sure how that works. We need some of our esteemed attys to jump in here. At the very least it should allow somebody in Oregon to make a quick case for injunction here. If for example IP16 was passed and put in to law before the California injunction is lifted, then it should help us.

 

[Ura-Ki]

Does Or. Have any Fed Judges not part of the Superior Court? If so, then why are we not pushing against all this anti stuff and bringing these things before them, why not shore up our position for Pro legislation, or at least to make anti gun so toxic that no politico would touch it!

 

[arakboss]

Does Or. Have any Fed Judges not part of the Superior Court? If so, then why are we not pushing against all this anti stuff and bringing these things before them, why not shore up our position for Pro legislation, or at least to make anti gun so toxic that no politico would touch it!

Good ?s

 

[ob1]

How does one federal appellate court's decision affect other circuits?​

"Persuasive precedent" within the Circuit

"Binding on lower courts" in that Circuit​

 

[arakboss]

How does one federal appellate court's decision affect other circuits?​

"Persuasive precedent" within the Circuit

"Binding on lower courts" in that Circuit​

Let's continue with example of IP16 being passed in to law. What would the process be to have an injunction placed on mag ban portion of law assuming injunction is still active in CA?

 

[ob1]

#Revolution2.0

I posted in another thread, we gun owners and shooting enthusiasts have no choice but to sacrifice and show up en masse when these bills are being heard.

If several hundred of us show up and make our voices heard loud and clear, it's going to be more difficult for them to make progress...

But, alas, this is Oregon, so that's only in my dreams...

Time to try again Nammac ?

 

[ob1]

Let's continue with example of IP16 being passed in to law. What would the process be to have an injunction placed on mag ban portion of law assuming injunction is still active in CA?

Lets think about that. Injunctions are generally considered a temporary band-aid measure. Limited by a certain time period or until more case precedents emerge to encourage an enduring ruling.
There are "Permanent Injunctions" to say, prevent an entity from continuing a certain conduct. These seem to be less common from my impression and I don't think would be likely for what we are talking about..
I think the only true remedy for this will be crafted in the SCOTUS. We do have new non-loony Supremes now and Ruth Buzzy Ginsburg laid up for the indefinite future.

Oh Tony Scalia...where are you now ? Anyone want to volunteer to be the figure head for the deciding case ?

 

[Ura-Ki]

How about a restraining order against the antis? How about an emergency red flag action against anti politicians? It might sound like a joke, but what if? Is it possible to do one of these against them? How about a recall canpaign? I see one of these options a far more fruitful endeavor then showing up en-mass and protesting to deaf ears and blind eyes! A real hit that would destroy a political carrier would have far more effect then a calm and reasoned protest! How about it, im game!

 

[arakboss]

A real hit that would destroy a political carrier would have far more effect then a calm and reasoned protest! How about it, im game!

I like the idea of ending the political careers of those who vote to restrict our gun rights. I would prefer to focus on the legislators who would be susceptible to a recall and/or losing their seat to a pro-gun rights opponent in the next election. Maybe a dirty dozen type list. If there are too many we won't be able to focus on them effectively.

 

[nammac]

How about a restraining order against the antis? How about an emergency red flag action against anti politicians? It might sound like a joke, but what if? Is it possible to do one of these against them? How about a recall canpaign? I see one of these options a far more fruitful endeavor then showing up en-mass and protesting to deaf ears and blind eyes! A real hit that would destroy a political carrier would have far more effect then a calm and reasoned protest! How about it, im game!

Recent recalls in Oregon have fallen flat on their proverbial faces, seems Oregonins favor their draconian taskmasters. Prozanski's recall failed miserably, if I recall correctly.

I do agree in disrupting a political career, would be very effective, but if not via recall, then how? Expose their source of campaign funding? I feel not enough people care to make a difference. Expose their deceptive dealings? How they've sold themselves out? Their back room dealings? Their corruption? Not enough Oregonians seem to care, or be involved... Or even interested. Heck most can't tell you who represents them in Salem...

And perhaps, a strong showing in Salem won't make a difference, after all they've appointed themselves as the task masters, they've witnessed a poor turnout and lackluster interest from the gun owning community in this state. They understand our collective complacency and realize that midnight deals and emergency clauses just cause us to roll over and accept their continued trampling on our Civil Rights. What response has there been? SB941 rammed down our collective throats, no outcry, no response.

There's no organization and no passion on our side to fight for our Civil Rights... We, my friend are but a mere remnant, dinosaurs from an era past. Clinging to what seems to be an ideal that today's society doesn't have any concern for. They're too wrapped up in their technology and self absorbed in themselves to see what's happening to this once great society.

We live in a time when socialistic ideals have taken root and are growing at an alarming rate. Where we now have generations who have expectations of living off government coffers, where people don't and won't take responsibility for their own well being. Let alone their actions... Where those who have should be taken from for those who don't because they won't work for it.

Just look to the recent elections. Conservatives in politics are being handed their collective azzes. Maybe not nationally, but certainly on the west coast... No, the face of America has changed. BHO promised to fundamentally change America and I fear he was more successful than many of us could have imagined possible.

Apologies for the rant.

 

[arakboss]

Recent recalls in Oregon have fallen flat on their proverbial faces, seems Oregonins favor their draconian taskmasters. Prozanski's recall failed miserably, if I recall correctly.

I do agree in disrupting a political career, would be very effective, but if not via recall, then how? Expose their source of campaign funding? I feel not enough people care to make a difference. Expose their deceptive dealings? How they've sold themselves out? Their back room dealings? Their corruption? Not enough Oregonians seem to care, or be involved... Or even interested. Heck most can't tell you who represents them in Salem...

And perhaps, a strong showing in Salem won't make a difference, after all they've appointed themselves as the task masters, they've witnessed a poor turnout and lackluster interest from the gun owning community in this state. They understand our collective complacency and realize that midnight deals and emergency clauses just cause us to roll over and accept their continued trampling on our Civil Rights. What response has there been? SB941 rammed down our collective throats, no outcry, no response.

There's no organization and no passion on our side to fight for our Civil Rights... We, my friend are but a mere remnant, dinosaurs from an era past. Clinging to what seems to be an ideal that today's society doesn't have any concern for. They're too wrapped up in their technology and self absorbed in themselves to see what's happening to this once great society.

We live in a time when socialistic ideals have taken root and are growing at an alarming rate. Where we now have generations who have expectations of living off government coffers, where people don't and won't take responsibility for their own well being. Let alone their actions... Where those who have should be taken from for those who don't because they won't work for it.

Just look to the recent elections. Conservatives in politics are being handed their collective azzes. Maybe not nationally, but certainly on the west coast... No, the face of America has changed. BHO promised to fundamentally change America and I fear he was more successful than many of us could have imagined possible.

Apologies for the rant.

Everything you said is true. I am hoping for one last harrah before the lights dim. I wish we weren't so complacent but that's the way it is and that's what we have to work with. Since we don't have an advantage in numbers we have to work harder and smarter. If we can't defeat a bill we should at least attempt to minimize the damage. I see a potential path to do that with HB 2251. There are loopholes in IP16. With the rest, all we can do is fight them one day at a time.

 

[arakboss]

This is what we are in for if HB 2251 is passed as written, pay extra attention to the "Enforcement Notice" section of the video. HB 2251 is the first step. Second step will be a ban. Third step will be issue of a "Enforcement Notice" similar to Massachusetts action.

 

[nwslopoke]

Democrat Rep. Williamson is the Chair of this committee and has the power to shelve this bill on her own so if you only have time for one letter she might be the best bet:
[email protected]
Her phone # (503) 986-1436

Polite fact based arguments will have the most sway with this Rep.

Letter sent.

 

[arakboss]

Letter sent.

I'll warn you now Rep. Williamson isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. This was one part of her campaign themes.

Progressive Ideas on Public Safety

• Excerpt: "She will continue to stand up for common sense gun laws like tougher penalties for illegal transfers of high capacity magazines."

 

[arakboss]

I'll warn you now Rep. Williamson isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. This was one part of her campaign themes.

Progressive Ideas on Public Safety

• Excerpt: "She will continue to stand up for common sense gun laws like tougher penalties for illegal transfers of high capacity magazines."

Maybe she is a forward thinker and was planning to crack down on future mag bans we don't have yet?

At least she didn't mention cracking down on clips.

 

[nammac]

Everything you said is true. I am hoping for one last harrah before the lights dim. I wish we weren't so complacent but that's the way it is and that's what we have to work with. Since we don't have an advantage in numbers we have to work harder and smarter. If we can't defeat a bill we should at least attempt to minimize the damage. I see a potential path to do that with HB 2251. There are loopholes in IP16. With the rest, all we can do is fight them one day at a time.

With this I can agree, work at minimizing the damage any proposed legislation can do. Fight the fight one day at a time. I still think showing up to the state capital en force, being loud and disruptive (if necessary) is the way to go. But it's going to take hundreds, several hundred of us to accomplish this. And it's going to need to happen each time an anti-gun bill is heard. The problem being, they don't play fair with scheduling hearings, they always seem to be last minute.

I still think the Oregon State Capital needed to be fumigated while the Legislative vermin are inside with their leader... But that's just me...

 

[ob1]

Everything you said is true. I am hoping for one last harrah before the lights dim. I wish we weren't so complacent but that's the way it is and that's what we have to work with. Since we don't have an advantage in numbers we have to work harder and smarter. If we can't defeat a bill we should at least attempt to minimize the damage. I see a potential path to do that with HB 2251. There are loopholes in IP16. With the rest, all we can do is fight them one day at a time.

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[arakboss]

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I forgot the most important part.
Let's do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Herb g]

Pretty open ended! What about Trained Ex, or retired Mil? Why can't we have the same exemptions? Many of us have quite a bit more training then the Ex LEO!

Good one!!