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The greatest enemy of gun owners

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by Patriot1668, Mar 3, 2016.

  1. Patriot1668

    Patriot1668 SW Washington Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    Who is the common enemy of all gun owners and 2A supporters?

    Before we engage in knee jerk reactions or conditioned responses, lets look hard at the question.

    There seem to be gun owners and 2A supporters of almost all philosophical and political persuasions. These are people we rub shoulders with at the range and gun shows. They all want their 2A rights, and I'm not willing to call them the enemy just because we don't agree on everything.

    There are people completely indifferent to the subject of firearms, and have no knowledge or interest in them. They're not the enemy.

    Then there are people who are vehemently anti-gun. These folks stand against the 2A armed with little more than emotion and ignorance. When I ask myself why these people believe so many lies and distortions about firearms, I started to get the idea who the common enemy is.

    I believe one of our greatest common enemies is the media.

    As gun owners we are misrepresented constantly as backwards, ignorant, and dangerous "gun nuts". We know that our community is better than that. On the whole we are probably a little more responsible and independent than most.

    So what can all of us do to influence the media to fairly report on the firearms community?

    Share your ideas! This has been a long post, so I'll share mine separately.
     
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  2. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Concerning the media... you ever hear of what usually happens when performing a certain bodily function while standing into the wind? o_O
     
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  3. Slobray

    Slobray Yelm, WA Well-Known Member

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    Honestly, the only way I can think of to stop the media from demonizing gun owners, is to buy all the major news outlets and make them report/print the truth and show us for what we really are.

    I know that's just a pipe dream, as we don't even have one millionaire on our side, let alone a billionaire. So yeah, @Stomper is right.



    Ray
     
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  4. AndyinEverson

    AndyinEverson Everson, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    Always be careful of what you say and do regarding firearms when in the public eye.
    The media will almost always focus on the bad examples.

    Remember that as gun owners we are all in the same boat as it were.
    To many Anti-gun folks any gun or any gun ownership is dangerous and should be banned.
    No matter what type of firearm you like , own , or shoot any of them could end up on someone's " You can't own list."

    We need to united in the purpose of safe gun ownership of any gun, for any law abiding citizen.
    Andy
     
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  5. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Politicians and media

    ignorance.

    emotional knee jerk reaction instead of objective rational logical thought.
     
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  6. markl32

    markl32 North Plains Member

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    Here is what can be done; stop consuming media.

    It's that simple. Get rid of your TV. Stop listening to the radio. Cancel the news paper and magazines.

    If we did this en mass "media" would change or go away. Sadly we are far too programed to ever opt out of pop media en mass.
     
  7. Mikej

    Mikej Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I would disagree with this. They wouldn't notice if you quit watching the news, you ever had them call you and ask what new program you watch? I suggest you watch. When untruths, or incorrect terminology, etc come up, send a note or call the station. I've done this and people actually answer the phone! Be courteous, informative. I doubt that my call alone did any good, but if others called and wrote. What about writing editorials to the paper? If they got enough they may print one, maybe just so we can't call them on being one-sided? Left leaning? Anti second amendment? It would be a start, and it certainly wouldn't hurt.

    Turning away and ignoring the problem certainly won't help.
     
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  8. Patriot1668

    Patriot1668 SW Washington Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    Media only answers to cash flow. The area of cash flow we can affect is advertising revenue.

    If we boycott media advertisers, and cause them to change the media they use, we can exercise our leverage as consumers. The trick is that the advertisers have to know why they are losing sales, and the media has to know why there is a boycott.

    Businesses losing sales and revenue are always asking the question "why". Giving them a simple answer like a boycott can be very effective. They'll always wonder how much of their loss of business is due to the boycott.

    What it requires is organization and commitment. Would a posted list of articles and dates, along with a list of advertisers make it easier to organize a boycott?
     
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  9. 41Slinger

    41Slinger Harrisburg Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The really funny part about the media being anti 2A is that once the 2A is gone, the 1A is next on the list and then the media is just a puppet for whoever is in charge, but apparently they can't seem to figure this little fact out. Once they do figure it out and go off on whoever is in charge and then are invaded by their new handlers, will be crying for those with guns to come save them, but it'll be to late then. Welcome to the United Socialist Authority.
     
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  10. DSAPT9

    DSAPT9 North Idaho Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    While I agree with your thought process there are just certain things people will not change their minds on. Trying to have them become gun people would be like me getting you to be anti gun.

    What I have found is the comment section in many articles and writing your point of view and then sending letters to the paper written in a positive factual manner showing positive messages about firearms.

    If more pro messages show up on the boards and letters than anti messages they might get the hint. I have noticed this happening for a while on many web articles now many do not have comment sections because I feel they did not like the pro gun outcome. So I e-mail the author any way with my opinion.

    Boycotting would only work if you could get folks to do it in the same week. Like gasoline if we all stopped buying it on the same three days there is an effect but if I do it today you next week someone the week after there is no real effect yes sales would slow down but no real message. Just my opinion.

    Become political and use the ballot box, go to rallies and let your voice be heard and defend all gun owners’ rights.

    I feel the reason the media can get away with it is because of us gun owners as we sometimes are our own worst enemy. You have a couple guys carry legal AR15s down the street and they find a few shotgun/bolt gun guys (gun owners) that find it is appalling and rant how we do not need to see that type of stuff. Open carry vs. concealed carry or background checks vs. no background checks the debate go’s on if we cannot make up our minds how is the media going to.

    If the Second amendment is a right then we all have the same right this means the AR guys, the shotguns guys and the open carry guys and we all need to fight for each of these rights even if we don’t always agree because if any part of a right is null and void then your part is next.
     
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  11. Dreams of Steel

    Dreams of Steel Sherwood Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    The biggest enemy I can see for 2A supporters and gun owners in general is ourselves (as a whole). We, as gun owners, generally just want to be left alone. We don't (generally) stick our noses into other peoples' business. We like our privacy, and the freedom to go out into the woods and have a fun day putting holes in targets. We (as a whole) don't want to engage in "activism" for fear of being labeled as a terrorist or something. In another thread I read that there are only about 5 million NRA members, whereas there are about 300 million guns in private hands in the U.S. I doubt that on average gun owners possess approximately 60 guns each, so there are a LOT of gun owners who are not NRA members. I am not saying that all gun owners should join the NRA (although I am a member and I think it is a good way to show support to our cause) but I will say that I think that most gun owners (as a whole) are not very active in supporting gun rights. In that other thread it was also stated that if the NRA had 10, 20, or even 50 million members, gun control would most likely be a dead issue. If it is an external enemy we are looking for, then yes I think it is the vehement anti-2A'ers out there, but I firmly believe that we as responsible gun owners are our own worst enemy, and until there is an outflowing of support from the grass-roots population like ourselves, we will be in for more legislation that seeks to destroy our Constitutional rights.
     
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  12. PaulB47

    PaulB47 Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    "It is a melancholy truth, that a suppression of the press could not more completely deprive the nation of its benefits, than is done by its abandoned prostitution to falsehood. Nothing can now be believed which is seen in a newspaper. Truth itself becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle."
    -- Thomas Jefferson

    The ruling class has an obvious strong incentive to disarm the peasants. We should not be surprised at this, or even distressed, but we certainly should not go along with it. The old media takes their cues from the ruling class of course. We shouldn't be surprised at that either.

    The good news is that the old media are going down the crapper. They have much less influence than they once had. Internet killed 'em. Nothing like having choices...

    Funny though, the old media has been easing up on gun owners (a bit) as far as I can tell, lately. Perhaps they decided there is no way to disarm Americans, given the rate we are buying AR-15s and so forth.

    Take a newbie to the range. The ruling class has no defense against this tactic. As it is, the gun banners are losing their constituency already.
     
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  13. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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  14. kilimanjaro

    kilimanjaro Skagit County Well-Known Member

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    I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but the media will jump on law-abiding gun owners right after the election.

    I'm not certain they have eased up lately, but the gun control mantra is in abeyance for now, replaced with articles about teen suicides, accidents, licensed carry mishaps, just front-loading the agitprop mill to prepare the populace for when they decide to push the issue later.
     
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  15. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Platinum Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Ignore-ance

    Ignoring a subject and being ignore-ant to anything related to the subject. Having a personality bent primarily towards emotions...where emotions trump facts.

    Fact: False beliefs create emotions, and emotions drive behavior.

    I have met plenty of people who are rabidly against subjects for which they are entirely ignore-ant because they choose to ignore the readily available information. It is much easier this way...it is easier to "feel" about something than to "think about" and "understand about" things which are for the most part not important to their daily walk through life.

    Our culture values many things, and wisdom for the most part is not valued amongst those things. Wisdom is the proper application of knowledge. Wisdom cannot be bought, and its cost cannot be weighed. Job 29:28

    A lot of people take the easy road, and being spoon fed by the authorities on CNNMSNBCABCFOX is an easy way to cope with life.


     
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  16. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    Wisdom is a skill that cannot be purchased, it is earned.
     
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  17. Mikej

    Mikej Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I put A like on this even though I don't like it, I agree with it 100%. If old Hillary and Bernie were talking gun control now we'd go right back to the way things were post Sandy Hook, or worse. These, these...I can't come up for a proper term for them! Our "Keepers"? Maybe.
     
  18. AndyinEverson

    AndyinEverson Everson, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    I think as stated above , taking someone new or unsure about guns out to the range is a excellent way to beat "The Enemy."

    Since going around and showing off our collection of original muzzleloaders , I have come into contact with many people who are unsure or scared of firearms.
    I find that by going slow and explaining just what a gun can do , how they work or in some cases their history or how its history relates to American history , goes along way to showing folks that guns and gun owners are no more dangerous that anyone or anything else.

    Knowledge is power as someone wiser than me once said.

    The media I have been in contact with have been helpful. This might be because the media has been a small town newspaper in a "gun friendly" region.
    I do worry about "big media" and their perceptions of firearms and gun owners.
    Not sure what to do about this , other than to keep plugging away at a local level.
    Andy
     
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  19. Patriot1668

    Patriot1668 SW Washington Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    The influence we can exercise by the endorsement of pro-gun media, or boycott of anti-gun media seems an unpopular concept. It's hard to understand why. We have such great power as consumers, it seems foolish to waste it.

    The idea of the grass-roots introduction of shooting sports to the inexperienced has great promise. I suppose the issue is whether enough people can be "reached".

    I guess that it's a good point that we all just want to be left alone to enjoy our lives. I suppose that's what most scapegoats have to say before they're chosen.

    Probably the least productive thing to do is to complain to people who already agree with you, and to ignore the enemies of your Rights.
     
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    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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