The Great British Gun show - 2016

[tac]

courtesy of Callum of English Shooting YT channel -

Thanks, Callum!

tac

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[Mikej]

So I see some nice looking pistols there. Question, can anyone, living anywhere, own the pistols? I understand the qualifications from your past posts, proper safe, pay the money for permits, yearly inspections and such? A Desert Eagle? Just for show as it didn't have the bar from the grip?

Beautiful shotguns! A triple barrel? Seem like a lot of weight to swing eh?

The air riffle gallery was way cool!

Pistols, shotguns, M&P AR, even a .50 BMG? Only thing missing from what we have here was the snapping of the stun guns in the background noise!

 

[tac]

So I see some nice looking pistols there. Question, can anyone, living anywhere, own the pistols?

Any and ALL handguns are legal in Northern Ireland, part of the UK. Only in England, Wales and Scotland are most CARTRIDGE-FIRING handguns prohibited. .22LR calibre semi-autos, like the GSS 1911 you saw Callum fondling, ARE legal, but they have a 12" barrel and a sticky-out bit on the butt to make them 24" overall. I have a Ruger Super Redhawk with a 14" bbl and sticky out bit. Single-shot target pistols in ANY calibre are legal, providing that they have a minimum 12" bbl and the sticky-out bit to make them 24" oal. ALL cap and ball and flintlock handguns - loose-loading - are allowed.

We only pay for ONE firearms CERTIFICATE for all our firearms- look up the difference between license and certificate - that is VERY important here. Initial cost is £80 for five years, then a renewal is £60. Any variation to it, like a change of a gun for one of a different calibre, costs £40 and is called a variation. There are no annual checks, although some counties do spot checks, but they are required to give you notice [!].

I understand the qualifications from your past posts, proper safe, pay the money for permits, yearly inspections and such? A Desert Eagle? Just for show as it didn't have the bar from the grip?

I didn't notice the Deagle, but it would only be legal in Northern Ireland - there is no way on earth that you could legally own one here on the mainland unless you were a Section 7 [Prohibited Firearm] certificate holder- dealers only.

Beautiful shotguns! A triple barrel? Seem like a lot of weight to swing eh?

Yeah, a German thang - might have been a drilling - two shotgun and a rifle calibre.

The air riffle gallery was way cool!

The modern PCP air rifle is a British invention - the BEST in the world for hunting are made right here.

Pistols, shotguns, M&P AR, even a .50 BMG? Only thing missing from what we have here was the snapping of the stun guns in the background noise!

All the 'black guns' are either straight-pulls or .22cal - four brands are actually made here in UK - look up Southern Gun Company. .50cal is very popular - the UK .50cal shooting association is the second-largest on earth after the US branch. We are helped by having a LOT of big ranges - one in South Wales is 4000m, my two nearest are 1200 and 1500m. OOP North there are ranges that we share with the Army - endless bleak moors and rolling uplands - same in Scotland and Wales - look up Orion shooting Experience to get some idea.

tac

 

[nehalemguy]

I have a confession.

When I first read the title, my first thought was "British gun show? What do they have, four...five guns tops?"

E

 

[Mikej]

So I see some nice looking pistols there. Question, can anyone, living anywhere, own the pistols?

Any and ALL handguns are legal in Northern Ireland, part of the UK. Only in England, Wales and Scotland are most CARTRIDGE-FIRING handguns prohibited. .22LR calibre semi-autos, like the GSS 1911 you saw Callum fondling, ARE legal, but they have a 12" barrel and a sticky-out bit on the butt to make them 24" overall. I have a Ruger Super Redhawk with a 14" bbl and sticky out bit. Single-shot target pistols in ANY calibre are legal, providing that they have a minimum 12" bbl and the sticky-out bit to make them 24" oal. ALL cap and ball and flintlock handguns - loose-loading - are allowed.

We only pay for ONE firearms CERTIFICATE for all our firearms- look up the difference between license and certificate - that is VERY important here. Initial cost is £80 for five years, then a renewal is £60. Any variation to it, like a change of a gun for one of a different calibre, costs £40 and is called a variation. There are no annual checks, although some counties do spot checks, but they are required to give you notice [!].

I understand the qualifications from your past posts, proper safe, pay the money for permits, yearly inspections and such? A Desert Eagle? Just for show as it didn't have the bar from the grip?

I didn't notice the Deagle, but it would only be legal in Northern Ireland - there is no way on earth that you could legally own one here on the mainland unless you were a Section 7 [Prohibited Firearm] certificate holder- dealers only.

Beautiful shotguns! A triple barrel? Seem like a lot of weight to swing eh?

Yeah, a German thang - might have been a drilling - two shotgun and a rifle calibre.

The air riffle gallery was way cool!

The modern PCP air rifle is a British invention - the BEST in the world for hunting are made right here.

Pistols, shotguns, M&P AR, even a .50 BMG? Only thing missing from what we have here was the snapping of the stun guns in the background noise!

All the 'black guns' are either straight-pulls or .22cal - four brands are actually made here in UK - look up Southern Gun Company. .50cal is very popular - the UK .50cal shooting association is the second-largest on earth after the US branch. We are helped by having a LOT of big ranges - one in South Wales is 4000m, my two nearest are 1200 and 1500m. OOP North there are ranges that we share with the Army - endless bleak moors and rolling uplands - same in Scotland and Wales - look up Orion shooting Experience to get some idea.

tac

Thank you my good man!

 

[2A2Dend]

Thanks for sharing, Tac. Some of the shotguns were GORGEOUS!!

 

[Caveman Jim]

Good Lawdy tac, TPTB actually let you guys own those EBL's (evil black rifles) or is that like porn (look but don't touch)?

 

[tac]

Y

I have a confession.

When I first read the title, my first thought was "British gun show? What do they have, four...five guns tops?"

E

You've obviously missed out on a couple of hundred posts by me over the last couple of years - I have nineteen guns [no shotguns] and by the standards of many in my gun club my gun safes are pretty empty.

At least fifty fellow members in my club have more than fifty....

You are beginning to bleeve the crap that you read about the UK and guns. Sure, it's nothing like the US, where everybody has hundreds of 'em, since we stopped killing each other en masse almost four hundred years ago, and the natives still live here in their own country [Wales], rather than occupy pathetic and barren wasteland areas assigned to them by your gubmint.

Do some reading, and then come back to me.

tac

 

[tac]

Good Lawdy tac, TPTB actually let you guys own those EBL's (evil black rifles) or is that like porn (look but don't touch)?

Not really, they are all straight-pull versions [UK only] although, as I mentioned above, we have a lot of home-grown builders. We also have comps called Civilian Service Rifle, where we replicate, as far as possible what we used to do with semi's in the sport that was invented here, practical rifle. There are about forty thousand shooters in the interest group.

ALL the .22cal black rifles are fine - no limits to magazine size , moderators for the asking [good eh?] and 24-hour shooting with all kinds of NV equipment, much of which is actually build right here in UK.

Unlike the USA, we have no totally wacky laws where empty cases are classed as WMDs [DC, if I recall], and legal gun ownership starts at 18, although you CAN own a firearm that somebody else 'cares for' from age 12. I began my shooting career at age six, BTW.

As for your comment about the 'look but don't touch' I'm sorry to have to tell you that that doesn't happen here. This gun show is to SELL guns, not a gubmint nyaa-nyaa look what YOU can't have. As I noted, Desert Tech took orders exceeding $1/2 Million last weekend. I let you draw your own conclusion from those figures.

tac

 

[Heywood]

Thank you for posting.
I always enjoy seeing the gun culture in other countries..

 

[tac]

Thanks for sharing, Tac. Some of the shotguns were GORGEOUS!!

Of course - England is the home of Churchill, Holland & Holland, Purdey, Cogswell & Harrison, John Rigby, Ronald Wharton and numerous other fine gun-makers to the world. An acquaintance of mine, who deals in fine older English guns - shotguns and rifles, especially double rifles - noted that the show last year netted him almost £1M, mind you, that was over two days...

It's four years since I went to the show, having already bought all I needed at that time, so there is no need for me to torture myself with all the guns I can't have because I refuse to comply with what I feel are further totally over-the-top restrictions, but well over thirty-thousand people went that year, I recall, the vast majority of them spending money as though it was compulsory.

tac

 

[Member 5605]

@tac some of us may poke jokes at the oddball rules governing the yUK's firearm laws (according to us).

I thought when I saw the title there would be guns sawed in half or encased in resin/polycarbonate. Hands off, don't touch. (For fun pokes cause we like you and what you bring to the forum)

Thanks for sharing the video. Those pistols sure look funny with the whale penis hanging off the back of them. 12" barrels, rear support... Sure could make them more accurate..

 

[tac]

Dyjital - bleeve me, nobody thinks that they are more worthy of jokes than us poor joes and josephines who have to suffer under them.

Instance - I have NINETEEN real live oh-golly-gosh, bullet-shooting bang-making guns, from .22cal up to .577 Snider, BUT - I cannot buy any kind of airsoft toy that uses the usual gas, or electricity, to send its little 6mm plastic ball out of the barrel at 1 joule/400fps. THAT's illegal for me to try and obtain one, just like I was trying to buy an AK. I CAN , meanwhile, buy any CO2 or airgun that has more m/e and more m/v that looks just as realistic and is mostly made of metal.

So I'm good to buy the new spiffy-looking SIG Sauer MPX or MCX in .177 or .22 - and I will - but I can't have the puny plastic green-gas or electric version because I'm not a re-enactor or airsofter.

'splain that to me, please.

tac

 

[Boboclown]

You know, we need to learn something from that gun show here in the U.S. NO TASERS!

'splain that to me, please

"The children could get shot in the mouth and choke on it! Think of the children!" I'm guessing?

 

[nehalemguy]

Y



You've obviously missed out on a couple of hundred posts by me over the last couple of years - I have nineteen guns [no shotguns] and by the standards of many in my gun club my gun safes are pretty empty.

At least fifty fellow members in my club have more than fifty....

You are beginning to bleeve the crap that you read about the UK and guns. Sure, it's nothing like the US, where everybody has hundreds of 'em, since we stopped killing each other en masse almost four hundred years ago, and the natives still live here in their own country [Wales], rather than occupy pathetic and barren wasteland areas assigned to them by your gubmint.

Do some reading, and then come back to me.

tac

Tac I thought the video very informative and refreshing to see.

However at first glance it seemed like the Brits had tried to do to gun shows what they have long done to food. And world wars. And cocktails. (Seriously, is that a cucumber in your drink?)

E

P.S. I'm totally joking......so loosen up those knickers.

 

[tac]

Glad you liked the video, but it was nothing to do with me - Callum put it together entirely unaided. Incidentally, the first British shooting show that was aimed specifically at guns and not country pursuits was fronted by an old pal of mine, David Williams, in the early 90's. Held at the NEC in Birmingham, it was HUGE - around 100,000 visitors over the weekend. Sadly, the Dunblane massacre just about stopped it right there in 1997, and the low-key follow-ons were never the same with that awful shadow hanging over us all. This more recent effort has been going now for seven or eight years, and seems to be a resounding success.

Not sure about the connection between food, world wars and cocktails, though, and since I wasn't actually there at the show, I can't comment on the cucumber in the drink - whatever it may have been. I'm a non-drinker as I have a total aversion to alcohol.

tac

 

[tac]

Hey, Guys - here's another video - longer one this time - it might give you a few different views of stuff that Callum did not see. Mostly airguns tho' so if things that go 'plit' hold no interest for you, please feel free to ignorise.

tac

 

[asiparks]

Sort of your own, private gunshow.....

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-secret-room-in-late-parish-councillors-house

Hope the local constabulary aren't reading this, but when I left the UK back in '93 I left 4 brocock revolvers and 3 Tokyo Marui electric airsoft guns in a box in my dad's garage.
I believe the Brocock's are now considered firearms ?

 

[tac]

Sort of your own, private gunshow.....

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-secret-room-in-late-parish-councillors-house

Hope the local constabulary aren't reading this, but when I left the UK back in '93 I left 4 brocock revolvers and 3 Tokyo Marui electric airsoft guns in a box in my dad's garage.
I believe the Brocock's are now considered firearms ?

IF you owned them at the time of the ban, then you could transfer them on to a FAC, after becoming a club member, of course.

Now they are Prohibited firearms, and may only be handed in - NO recompense, either. They may NOT be sold, transferred or disposed of by any means other than hand-in to the local police station.

tac