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The Future of Cars (Honda FCX Clarity)

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Ryan, Dec 16, 2008.

  1. Ryan

    Ryan Beaverton Or Member

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    I have always hated Hybreds, and though that they were just a waste of money. This car however I am really excited about. Great bit from the British Motoring show Topgear:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80ohorNelr4

    edit: new link that should work for a bit, until the BBC takes it down.
     
  2. borrowedsig

    borrowedsig Lincoln, Nebraska Active Member

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    Linky no worky.... hybrids are stupid... sorry im just very honest.

    Matt
     
  3. dolooper

    dolooper Coast Range, or thereabouts Well-Known Member

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    It was a BBC segment from the LA Car Show. Their automotive guy gave the car a great review, but it looks like the BBC got their knickers in a bunch about it being posted on youtube.

    The car's not a hybrid. It's an all-hyrodgen fuel cell vehicle. Here's the BBC text article, not the LA Car Show piece (I would have thought they'd post the video).

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7456141.stm
     
  4. Ryan

    Ryan Beaverton Or Member

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    I agree completely, however a Hydrogen fuel cell car is not stupid.
     
  5. fingolfen

    fingolfen Oregon Member

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    Hydrogen fuel cells are great...

    Unfortunately generation of hydrogen is just as dirty as burning fossil fuels and is a net energy loss prospect at this point...
     
  6. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Moses Lake, WA Active Member

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    Generating any fuel is a net loss process. We just have to decide which is the lesser loss / greater gain.

    Capturing Hydrogen doesn't have to be a dirty process. Water driven generators of electricity to break down water into hydrogen and oxygen is about as clean as it gets.

    Pops
     
  7. borrowedsig

    borrowedsig Lincoln, Nebraska Active Member

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    Linky no worky..... Brainy no worky. Alot of people are touting the alternative energy stuff, ill stick to my v8 thanks. and so will my son... and his... and well you get the idea.


    Matt
     
  8. fingolfen

    fingolfen Oregon Member

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    Yeah - but hydro power currently is less than 10% of the US generation of electricity... and to get enough power to break down enough hydrogen to power just the cars in the US you'd need to vastly INCREASE the US power grid...

    ... and a lot of the hydro dams are being decommissioned because of environmental concerns.
     
  9. CharlesAFerg

    CharlesAFerg Beaverton Active Member

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    Nuclear power FTW.

    Speaking of hydrogen, BMW has been pioneering the development in hydrogen engines for a while with their 750H models they've been producing since the 80s. The problem is that it's vastly underpowered unless it's equipped with their 12 cylinder engine. Lexus is now trying the same thing.

    Regarding hybrids, it's MUCH more economically viable to purchase a used car it this point, particularly quality German cars. As long as one does their research, and purchases not only a particular make and model that has a known track record, but purchases the late, face lifted models with less issues, as well as being responsible enough to maintain it better than most with new cars.

    It takes the equivalent of 1,000 gallons of gasoline to build a prius, this is called the carbon debt, and can be completely avoided by purchasing a quality used car. Besides, the quality of used cars are better anyways, and their debt has already been paid off. Personally, the big issue isn't the debt, but the fact that these cars aren't going away unless we MAKE them, as in throwing them away. Recycling has always been the first step, and people somehow think that building a large amount of new hybrids will help? The logic is not there

    I'd rather have this,
    dansrearmyfront.jpg

    than this..
     
  10. Joe Link

    Joe Link Portland, OR Well-Known Member Staff Member Lifetime Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I agree with Charles, and I too vote for nuclear. Ever since I gave any thought to the alternative energy debate, electricity has been a no brainier for me. It all comes down to one word: flexibility. How many different ways are there to produce electricity? We already have the bulk of the infrastructure, upgrading the rest wouldn't take nearly as much as other options.
     
  11. torpedoman

    torpedoman land of corrupt politicians Member

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    hybreds are stupid? if you think an engine spinning a generator that makes electricity to drive electric motors is stupid just what do you thing drives those locomotives?It really isn't a new idea. Electric is stupid it just moves the pollution to a coal burning power plant somewere out of sight. unless we go nuclear. hydrogen is the best we have at this time. however 10 square miles of new mexico desert could generate all the electricity we need if made into a solar generating site.
     
  12. Ryan

    Ryan Beaverton Or Member

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  13. borrowedsig

    borrowedsig Lincoln, Nebraska Active Member

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    Yes.

    Matt
     
  14. CharlesAFerg

    CharlesAFerg Beaverton Active Member

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    Hybrid.