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The Elephant in the Room

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by balaperdida, Oct 7, 2015.

  1. balaperdida

    balaperdida eastern idaho Well-Known Member

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    What's killing Oregonians?

    According to various Websites with the most recent data, the gun death rate in 2010 in Oregon was 12 per 100,000.

    For the same year, the alcohol abuse death rate was 36 per 100,000.

    Data from Oregon public health indicate the alcohol death rate has increased to 40 per 100,000 in 2014. Couldn't find comparable data for gun deaths.

    It appears time to reinstate Prohibition in Oregon.

    Sample links:

    Gun deaths

    Alcohol deaths
     
  2. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    It's funny that they want to apply what is basically the prohibition mentality with respect to gun laws, when everyone knows prohibition DIDN'T WORK. So, if people will drink, regardless of the law, it should carry then that people will own guns, regardless of the law.

    Heck, even in anti-gun Australia, there are still plenty of folks that have not complied.
     
  3. jbett98

    jbett98 NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    In the US on average, 30 people a day die from drunk drivers.
    That's 10,950 folks killed by alcohol alone.
     
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  4. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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  5. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The bigger elephant in the room: http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/

    When they say they want to save lives, that gun deaths are a serious problem, you can easily show they don't care about lives by sharing this fact from the CDC (Obama's government folks):

    In America alone, 480,000 people die each year from smoking, including 42,000 from secondhand smoke. That is 1,300 people dead EVERY DAY IN AMERICA from smoking. Something they could outlaw, if they wanted, but that would be political suicide because of the millions of people that make their living from producing and selling tobacco products.

    BTW, smoking kills 6,000,000 people worldwide every year!!!

    They do not care about saving lives. They care about control.

    I share this number with every single person that will listen. You have the link for yourself now. Use it. Make people see that saving lives is not what they want. Guns are not the issue. It is about control.
     
  6. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Platinum Supporter Silver Supporter

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    This is already fact. Laws only effect (or is it affect) those who obey them. It seems our illustrious morally vapid leaders are hell bent on pressing everyone to the point that everyone is lawless.
     
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  7. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    That would be whittled down considerably if you subtracted bad guy shooting bad guy or domestic gun murders that would happen with a blunt object if a gun wasn't handy.

    We all know what this is about. The bleeding hearts are letting the inmates run the asylum and people are getting killed by some of them.

    From the mentally ill homeless drug addicts walking our streets to the kid in School that acts a little too strange but everyone is too PC to talk about it. Then he grows up and tries Dating and thinks everyone else is the problem.
    Then you got the Mom who decides to help the same frustrated angry young Man with his new gun hobby???

    Tolerance is fine but things have gone too far. If anyone speaks up anymore the Progs label them a Bigot!

    Nobody want's to go back to the days of straight jackets and lobotomies or the village idiot who is bullied and teased just to be kept in his place, but why not a little extra scrutiny when someone has these problems and wants to buy a gun at least?

    Why wasn't he picked up on the BG check, he had a friggin history! Is it because the BG check isn't about stopping deranged people but all about registration?
     
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  8. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    The biggest killer in America is medical malpractice isn't it?

    Facts will always be useless when dealing with people who use lies to push their agenda.
     
  9. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    True. But facts may help to win some converts over to our side. We'll need every vote we can get.
     
  10. teflon97239

    teflon97239 Portland, OR Well-Known Member

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    Sadly, the facts often mean nothing to opportunist professional politicians who base their careers upon some predictably gullible segment of the population keeping them in office, smugly suckling from the tax teat.
     
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  11. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    B...butt these people are public servants! They sacrifice so much to serve the people. If they worked in private industry they'd make soooo much more money!
     
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  12. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    Yes, 400-500K people die due to medical error. My neighbor is a commissioner in the WA Medical Commission. It's very in-transparent and a lot of work needs to be done to bring this out of the shadows.

    Remember: doing the most good for the most people, that's were it should be at.
     
  13. teflon97239

    teflon97239 Portland, OR Well-Known Member

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    Many of those hacks never accomplish(ed) a damn thing in the private sector. Failures in the real world. Still, sadly, they're looked up to by so many sheep.

    Given how polar gun control is, they're guaranteed a significant block of votes. Even more the harder they push at it. Facts? Schmacts!!! Just make it juicy and emotional! That'll get all the skinny jeans and "intellectual" libtard votes. In this otherwise cool state, Multnomah county is HUGE.
     
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  14. balaperdida

    balaperdida eastern idaho Well-Known Member

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  15. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I've known several people that either attempted or did commit suicide. None used a gun, though most had access to one. Making the argument that reducing guns will reduce suicides is just a load of BS. I think they know that, but their intellectually challenged voters will believe just about anything they say, and then keep voting them in.
     
  16. Diamondback

    Diamondback A cold, wet green Hell Well-Known Member

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    Indeed--my grandfather died because of a big-name cardiologist's malpractice and the board/commission/whoever just covered it up.

    Know this, Dr. Strait: Justice IS Coming, whether in a courtroom or in the Hereafter... (Was I not supposed to name names? Oops. My bad. *spits*)
     
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  17. PotshotJim

    PotshotJim Oregon Member

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    The biggest killer is death. Let's just ban that and call it a day.
    "Five to one and one to five..."
     
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    TumPai00 Portland New Member

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    http://health.usnews.com/health-news/health-wellness/articles/2014/02/10/the-facts-about-heroin

    ...Consider that in 2010, there were 38,329 such deaths in the United States, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. That’s more than double the 16,849 fatal overdoses recorded in 1999. Overdosing is now the leading cause of accidental death in the U.S., ahead of traffic fatalities and gun homicides. And health officials warn that we’re in the midst of a new heroin epidemic that will only get worse before it gets better....
     
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  19. Diamondback

    Diamondback A cold, wet green Hell Well-Known Member

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    The real problem is the crap they do to the rest of us before they Darwin Up: crack-babies, smash-and-grabs...
     
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  20. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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