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Our rights won't be returned, we'll have to TAKE THEM.

We will I have no doubt with what is left after the dust clears. That is where the problem will be. If they can contain communication, news and arms it going to get tough quick and many wont have the stomach for it, they will settle for 3 hots and a cot, and a dose of Kooleaid daily.
 
The only thing that changes is that nothing changes.. We're all just pawns for the power brokers to place as needed to increase the odds of them getting more of it..

In 1915 the British government knew that they needed the US sentiment to change in their favor to get the US involved in WW1. Communications indicate that British power brokers "hoped" that the German U-boats would sink a large commercial vessel with US interests knowing that would likely work in their favor. The Lusitania was left unescorted in known active U-boat territory and sunk killing 1,198 souls.... and we all know the rest of the story.....
 
Look what we have to look forward too. Does Obama deem Western Europe as an acceptable loss for his failed Mid East foreign policy.

In the name of his Father... a card carrying member of the communist party. The media ran interference to make sure Barry was never honestly and thoroughly vetted. So, as long as we're going to be in the "vetting" business for the foreseeable future, can we add one more name to the list?

Seriously, you couldn't make this bubblegum up if you tried. If I had designs on wrecking American from the inside out, I would follow this script... unbelievable.
 
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Is everyone, or most everyone, who doesn't want the refugee's let into this country afraid that terrorist's may slip through the cracks?
 
19 Islamic Terrorist Murderers killed over 3,000 Americans on 911. Obama is going to bring in 10,000 so called "refugees". Even if 99.8% are "peaceful" it would leave us with another 19 Islamic Terrorists in our midst.

With all this talk we have to realize a couple of things:

1. There are many other ways to enter the US than to apply for refugee status. Chances are as a tourist you won't be half-as-vetted as a refugee. They will probably suspend the current Visa waiver program <broken link removed> , but still, they will not invest the same amount of background checking as they do with immigrants. I know, I have gone through the process. A would-be-terrorist has an easier time entering as a 90 day tourist.

2. There are also plenty of illegal ways to come in. By sea, by land. We have long borders and limited resources to patrol.

3. Approximately 1 million people immigrate to the US every year. We are an immigration country. And economically we benefit from legal immigration.

4. Lastly, try to imagine what level of desperation it would take for you to leave home, leave everything behind, pay your last moneys to some traffickers and risk a dangerous voyage with your spouse and children for an unknown destination? Not to mention that by removing Saddam and not being able to replace his power with our own and/or that of the subsequent government, we are partly responsible for the power vacuum in the Middle East. The vacuum that enabled the rise of ISIS. By arming Syrian rebels we continue to contribute to a conflict - in a half-assed way, pardon my french - which results in more pain for the civilian population. I feel we have a moral obligation towards these refugees.

Do we get the occasional terrorist? Very likely. Many sympathizers may already be here and may just need to be activated. Should we be very concerned and vigilant? Absolutely. Sheriffs have called for off duty deputies to carry their weapons and extra ammo, especially when participating in events with crowds, such as in stadiums, concert halls, etc. Armed citizen should consider the same when going to the mall, the movies, or driving their kids to school.

The white man is an immigrant in this land, just go back far enough. Terrorism is a complex issue, and it won't be solved with Islamophobia, or shutting down the borders. Just like mass-killings are not solved by banning guns, or other knee-jerk reactions.

So calm down and carry. Keep your eyes open and be aware. Don't fear the "Muslim", because fear is what the terrorist want you to feel. I know quite a few (Muslims, not terrorists)- none of them different than me with regards to family and kids... only I noticed, I have guns, none of them do. I won't hold that against them ;-)
 
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There is nothing wrong with being phobic of a political ideology (hardly a religion, MOhammad was purely a warlord and politician) that calls for the destruction, incarceration and murder of all those who will not accept it. Islamophobia is quite healthy actually, as Muslims, have for years been calling en masse for the destruction of the "Great Satan", the USA. Burning American flags, murdering American people and trying to force their belief system on people are just some examples of why people are Islamophobic.

Another piece of hypocrisy is everyone is crying for the Muslim refugees. However, nobody seem to care about the Christians in the Middle East who were being massacred , having their women raped, churches burned down and priests/pastors executed for apostasy, etc. In fact, the Christians of Syria were prime targets of ISIS and nobody bothered devoting any resources to the genocide that was committed against them. Rival warrior factions are killing each other in Syria and other parts of the Middle East. Make no mistake, there is a reason why so many of the refugees who are still alive are young, muscular military age males. A lot of these refugees also have some blood on their hands and are hardly , helpless and weak victims. If these men were so honorable, how come they were so brave to leave their wives and children back in the warzone to end up as sex slaves for rival warrior clans, ISIS (actually just another branch of Sunni Extremists) and leave their country.

Sorry, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with Boogerhook's post and his advocating of the relocation of 10,000s of Syrian refugees to our country.

Contrary, to what he and some others may say, these people will find any opportunity to come here and they are much better suited to come here legally with the government's blessing and financial help than they are to illegally cross into our borders and have to constantly lay under the radar.

To disprove your point, they have already found that one of the terrorist attackers in fact was a Syrian refugee who took advantage of the situation and coordinated the attack with other Islamists (who decided to call themselves ISIS, yesterday it was Al Qaeda, whatever!) who were residents of the country.

I could guarantee a good majority of the terrorists who partook in the Paris attacks were either the children of refugees or immigrants from countries that were struggling from religious Islamic extremism.
 
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It all in preparation, as we all know this has to happen for the inevitable to happen. Its all with in the scope and plan of things. Its irritating as hell, and yet I understand that its what has to happen. Avoiding civil unrest is a pipedream and our country knows its days are numbered. They must Force Marshall-Law into place but they need enough to justify the acts. What many see as a a WTF moments are planned and precisely needed. If the Prez can pronounce marshal law, rights go out the window and once lost will be decades if ever they were returned.


I fully agree with you. If the goal was safety, by example, the powers would oppose such an action. The powers would implement any action that would destabilize the entire domestic community within our borders. Referencing Alinsky's Book "rules for radicals" implementing a civil disaster would be the quickest way to achieve a restructuring of society in ways that would not ordinarily be acceptable.
 
There is nothing wrong with being phobic of a political ideology (hardly a religion, MOhammad was purely a warlord and politician) that calls for the destruction, incarceration and murder of all those who will not accept it. Islamophobia is quite healthy actually, as Muslims, have for years been calling en masse for the destruction of the "Great Satan", the USA. Burning American flags, murdering American people and trying to force their belief system on people are just some examples of why people are Islamophobic.

Another piece of hypocrisy is everyone is crying for the Muslim refugees. However, nobody seem to care about the Christians in the Middle East who were being massacred , having their women raped, churches burned down and priests/pastors executed for apostasy, etc. In fact, the Christians of Syria were prime targets of ISIS and nobody bothered devoting any resources to the genocide that was committed against them. Rival warrior factions are killing each other in Syria and other parts of the Middle East. Make no mistake, there is a reason why so many of the refugees who are still alive are young, muscular military age males. A lot of these refugees also have some blood on their hands and are hardly , helpless and weak victims. If these men were so honorable, how come they were so brave to leave their wives and children back in the warzone to end up as sex slaves for rival warrior clans, ISIS (actually just another branch of Sunni Extremists) and leave their country.

Sorry, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with Boogerhook's post and his advocating of the relocation of 10,000s of Syrian refugees to our country.

Contrary, to what he and some others may say, these people will find any opportunity to come here and they are much better suited to come here legally with the government's blessing and financial help than they are to illegally cross into our borders and have to constantly lay under the radar.

To disprove your point, they have already found that one of the terrorist attackers in fact was a Syrian refugee who took advantage of the situation and coordinated the attack with other Islamists (who decided to call themselves ISIS, yesterday it was Al Qaeda, whatever!) who were residents of the country.

I could guarantee a good majority of the terrorists who partook in the Paris attacks were either the children of refugees or immigrants from countries that were struggling from religious Islamic extremism.
I made my points, you chose not to see them. That's fine. What I can tell you is that the same kind of xenophobia is what let to the encampment of Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor and the very restrictive immigration quotas for Jewish immigrants until after WW2. In both cases we wish he had done better and shown more wisdom.

Over and out.
 
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Let the governor, mayor, senate democrats of these states that are accepting the syrian migrants SUPPORT THEM, with their private money, bring them into THEIR HOMES, do not make it a hardship on people who do not want them in their states. Do we as citizens of these United Sates, and city's have no say in this matter???
 

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