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Swordsman Attacks School in Sweden

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by etrain16, Oct 22, 2015.

  1. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    A school attack happened in Sweden yesterday. A man with a sword attacked a total of 5 people, one adult and 4 children, one was killed (they haven't released who that is yet).

    Probably the more important part of the story is that he was stopped, by police, who shot him. Yep, good guys with a gun stopped a bad guy with a sword.

    Some commenters are already saying this is why we should ban guns - because he was only able to kill one person with the sword. Really? What kind of F'd up logic is that? We don't know how quickly the police got there. If they were there right away, they may have stopped him not long after he started. What if the good guys with guns had gotten there later? Is there any reason to assume, just because he wasn't using a gun, that he couldn't have killed many more people?

    So my question is this - did the easy access to a sword cause him to commit this crime? I know that sounds ridiculous, but that's what anti-gunners claim about guns here. Another question, in a country with so much free stuff like free education, free healthcare, did they turn out a mental defective that would want to hack up school children?? Shouldn't that not exist in a socialist utopia like Sweden?

    By the way, in Sweden, knives/blades of any kind are banned at schools. Pretty damn effective those laws, eh? Funny thing about Swedish knife law is that it is legal to carry a knife, if you intend only to use it for good purposes (self defense is not included in that definition, by the way). So, they leave it up to the police to decide what your 'intentions' are if you're found with a knife. Nothing like arbitrary judgement as your rule of law.


    A masked man wielding a sword killed one person and wounded four at a school in western Sweden before being shot by police, authorities said on Thursday.

    The victims included one adult and four children. It was unclear which of the five had died.

    "Four persons have been taken to the hospital from the school," said Niklas Claesson, head of communications at NAL hospital in the town of Trollhattan.

    "The assailant is being treated for gunshot wounds. The other people treated at the hospital are young but not kids. Some of them have serious injuries and are being operated on. One person is deceased at the scene."



    Source: http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-four-at-swedish-school/ar-BBmjTUD?li=AAa0dzB
     
  2. Deebow

    Deebow Portland Well-Known Member

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    Yet another example of how banning guns stops evil.

    :s0140:
     
  3. David Bowman

    David Bowman Beaverton OR Archer Defense Concepts

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    But But But....!!! Gun Control works!!! Ban all Guns! Guns are evil!!!

    Says the libturd who has no understanding of wolves, evil or the nature of people and free will.

    And my bet is that the people who had cell phones in their hands were probably thinking "someone should shoot that guy!"

    Yeah, ya think?
     
  4. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  5. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    A guy half decent with a sword would have no problems killing az many or more than a typical spree shooter up close and personal - huddled masses make one big target for sharpened steel.

    I bet the cops were close and this guy was far from a sword expert, nor was he really bent on killing everyone there.
     
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  6. RicInOR

    RicInOR Washington County Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    "UPDATE: Man wearing 'STAR WARS' mask attack students in Swedish school..."

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    Sword-wielding killer wearing 'Darth Vader mask' poses with pupils who thought it was a Halloween prank minutes before he hacked one student and a teacher to death in rampage at Swedish school"


    Therefore we should ban Disney, the current owners of the likeness of Darth Vader, right?
     
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  7. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Exactly. Lock the same number of students in a room with the guy with a weapon between them and the only exit, coupled with their training/unwillingness to fight back, and yes, they can do just as much damage. Perhaps not as efficiently, but as you say, in the hands of a master...
     
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  8. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Interesting...so did he have his sword dressed up as a light saber? ;)

    Even more interesting - people are so F'ing OBSESSED with 'selfies' that they are completely unable to assess what is happening around them. Get a picture with a mass murderer, don't even question whether it's real or not.
     
  9. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't that long ago the IKEA beheading/killings with the kitchen knives displayed for sale over in Sweden. Now this. Maybe racially motivated both of these.
    These are just the high profile/ weirder stabbings you hear about.
    Wonder if the numbers of violent stabbings, rapes, murders etc in the much smaller Country of Sweden are the same or more per capita as the US nowadays?
     
  10. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I'm not a trained swordsman and would never do such things BUT if I was in a school full of people with a sword, I am fairly certain there would be a very large body count - cutting people is very similar to shooting them, it's mostly in the shot placement not the size of the knife/bullet.


    I hate to say it but people that do this stuff with edged or blunt weapons help our cause to keep our guns enormously. Again, I am not condoning what he did- only pointing out as others have, a person with ANY weapon with the intent to kill - will.
     
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  11. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Not to mention mob mentality in a crisis situation - they tend to clump together and get themselves backed into a corner - which makes for easy targets and larger death tolls regardless of weapon. If people are conditioned not to fight back, it makes the bad guy's job so much easier.
     
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  12. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    People tend to forget history, lots of people killed with blades before guns were invented. It shocks them to see the way it used to be done.
     
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  13. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    Evil people will do evil things with whatever weapons they choose.
    The thing that will cut down on the numbers of said attacks is people growing a set an getting mad and fighting back. I get mad as Hell when someone "paints" me with a weapon and show it!!!
    Americans are way too soft, lazy, complacent and make easy targets.
    That was not how my generation was raised but is the way of the future, sadly more will die, afraid to do anything to try and prevent it.
     
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  14. Diamondback

    Diamondback A cold, wet green Hell Well-Known Member

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    Hence the rule our GIs and Marines had fighting the Japanese: "Kill the guys with the swords FIRST." One Banzai charging katana could do as much damage as half a dozen or more riflemen with Arisakas.
     
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  15. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Bullets only go in the one line of a vast many possibilities of directions that it was shot and have a finite amount of ammo.

    A sword covers way more possible directions and can change mid swing based on the targets reaction.

    There is a good reason I have a very large knife next to my quick access safe with my .357 mag in it. Even in my less dominant hand it is very lethal.
     
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