This should be a particularly lively topic, but worth it anyway. Lets not get uncivil and have this thread closed. In this day and age, its not all that hard to believe that someday, we may actually have to use the preparations we make. Whether this be our bug-out bags, stock-piles of supplies (food, water, ammo), or evacuation plans, its possible we could have to use them. While it is always possible to have the Red Dawn or social collapse scenario, there's a more likely threat of natural disaster (volcano eruptions, forest fire, floods, etc for us here in the NW). We may have rolling black-outs, temporary loss of power from a terrorist attack, or any number of other things that would cause us to be self-reliant for a period of time. There are a lot of threads going on about responses to specific threats and problems. After reading people's responses, it is disheartening to see how many people plan to rely on stealing from others to survive. Whether its by looting, stealing, or mooching, it still seems wrong. I'm not talking about surviving at a common location where many people will retreat to and live communally. I'm talking about people talking about poaching others livestock, stealing/looting from stores, etc. Obviously if you are talking about doing these things, you recognize a need to be prepared. But since you recognize the need, why do you not also do the work to prepare yourself? Why are you planning/relying on taking what others have to survive? I guess all I can say is that if you plan on stealing/looting/poaching, you better hope you're better armed and a better shot than the people you plan on violating. Why would you rely on this as part of your families plans? Enlighten me, argue with me, agree with me, but someone explain this disturbing trend.