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The Supreme Court declines to take up two second amendment cases, disappointing gun rights advocates - CNNPolitics.com
Supreme courr denies cert to Peruta

Gorsuch and Thomas dissent.

Gorsuch is absolutely our friend.

"Had the en banc Ninth Circuit answered the question actually at issue in this case, it likely would have been compelled to reach the opposite result. This Court has already suggested that the Second Amendment protects the right to carry firearms in public in some fashion.

As we explained in Heller, to "bear arms" means to "'wear, bear, or carry upon the person or in the clothing or in a pocket, for the purpose of being armed and ready for offensive or defensive action in a case of conflict with another person.'" The most natural reading of this definition encompasses public carry. I find it extremely improbable that the Framers understood the Second Amendment to protect little more than carrying a gun from the bedroom to the kitchen. … "To speak of 'bearing' arms solely within one's home not only would conflate 'bearing' with 'keeping,' in derogation of the [Heller] Court's holding that the verbs codified distinct rights, but also would be awkward usage given the meaning assigned the terms by the Supreme Court[.]" …

The relevant history appears to support this understanding. The panel opinion below pointed to a wealth of cases and secondary sources from England, the founding era, the antebellum period, and Reconstruction, which together strongly suggest that the right to bear arms includes the right to bear arms in public in some manner. For example, in Nunn v. State (Ga. 1846) — a decision the Heller Court discussed extensively as illustrative of the proper understanding of the right — the Georgia Supreme Court struck down a ban on open carry although it upheld a ban on concealed carry. Other cases similarly suggest that, although some regulation of public carry is permissible, an effective ban on all forms of public carry is not. See, e.g., State v. Reid (Ala. 1840) ("A statute which, under the pretence of regulating, amounts to a destruction of the right, or which requires arms to be so borne as to render them wholly useless for the purpose of defence, would be clearly unconstitutional").

Finally, the Second Amendment's core purpose further supports the conclusion that the right to bear arms extends to public carry. The Court in Heller emphasized that "self-defense" is "the central component of the [Second Amendment] right itself." This purpose is not limited only to the home, even though the need for self-defense may be "most acute" there. "Self-defense has to take place wherever the person happens to be," and in some circumstances a person may be more vulnerable in a public place than in his own house. …

For those of us who work in marbled halls, guarded constantly by a vigilant and dedicated police force, the guarantees of the Second Amendment might seem antiquated and superfluous. But the Framers made a clear choice: They reserved to all Americans the right to bear arms for self-defense. I do not think we should stand by idly while a State denies its citizens that right, particularly when their very lives may depend on it. I respectfully dissent."
 
Such a deal we got when Dubya nominated Barry's litlle b*tch-boy Roberts... *snort* Rather disappointed in "Machine Gun" Alito, though. Kennedy, this is no surprise from...

Rumor is that Kennedy may be stepping down. If he does that soon, we could have a chance at getting another actual constitutionalist appointed before the 2018 mid-terms. Kennedy needs to go, just as much as Ruth Bader "The Walking Dead" Ginsburg.
 
Since Heller, the court has rejected all other appeals. It seems that outside of an outright ban on possession of an operable firearm, the court is treating the local restrictions as a states rights issue as they are allowing all other state rulings to stand.
 
Seems to me the Supreme Court is not doing their job. While States MAY have a duty of somewhat regulating SOME Constitutional guarantees they most certainly do not have the duty to PROHIBIT Constitutional Guarantees. This is whats happening in California regarding CCW licenses? At the least it is an equal protection clause issue? Seems all folks in Kommiefornika are equal but some seem to be more equal than others? That is wrong.

Respectfully.

Later edited by HB for speelling, gramour, sintaxes, wrongs wordies, punctuations, danglings partacycles, etc.. Yiks! :)
 
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So even if Kennedy retires and we can gaslight Ginsburg, even assuming the replacements are Gorsuch's equal that still leaves either Barry's Butt-Boy or Alito that would be in the way... OTOH, Alito and Roberts may have voted against Cert because of the Kennedy Wild Card too.

It is a scary thing, living in a country where our rights are decided by which side of the bed a drunken oaf falls out of that morning...
 
So even if Kennedy retires and we can gaslight Ginsburg, even assuming the replacements are Gorsuch's equal that still leaves either Barry's Butt-Boy or Alito that would be in the way... OTOH, Alito and Roberts may have voted against Cert because of the Kennedy Wild Card too.

It is a scary thing, living in a country where our rights are decided by which side of the bed a drunken oaf falls out of that morning...

Whoa there pardner. I rarely have more than a glass of white wine...
 
Very Hard Ball. Like said before, about as major league hardball as one can get. Anthony; rest in peace. Close family? Extended nuclear family? Friends? Their families? So on, so on. Scary potential and reality? Yep. :(
 
Friend to 2A or not, Gorsuch's dissent from the denial of cert is completely off base. He treats his dissent like the 9th Circuit ruled that a person cannot carry a firearm in public. That was NOT the question in Peruta and the 9th Circuit explicitly left that question open for another time. The 9th Circuit ruled only that there is no right to carry concealed in public. If you're going to dissent, at least frame the issue correctly.
 
He treats his dissent like the 9th Circuit ruled that a person cannot carry a firearm in public.

They basically did and the true Justices even stated that fact in their dissent of the partisan activists en banc "straw argument" ruling:

Summary said:
Dissenting, Judge Callahan, joined by Judge Silverman as to all parts except section IV, by Judge Bea, and by Judge N.R. Smith as to all parts except section II.B, stated that in the context of present-day California law, the defendant counties' limited licensing of the right to carry concealed firearms is tantamount to a total ban on the right of an ordinary citizen to carry a firearm in public for self-defense. Thus, plaintiffs' Second Amendment rights have been violated.


http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/general/2016/06/09/10-56971 6-9 EB opinion plus webcites.pdf


Ray
 
Friend to 2A or not, Gorsuch's dissent from the denial of cert is completely off base. He treats his dissent like the 9th Circuit ruled that a person cannot carry a firearm in public. That was NOT the question in Peruta and the 9th Circuit explicitly left that question open for another time. The 9th Circuit ruled only that there is no right to carry concealed in public. If you're going to dissent, at least frame the issue correctly.
While they wrote that they did not limit the right they de facto DID limit the right which is why this case should have been granted cert as Thomas and Gorsuch noted
 
Courts can't rule on questions that are not before them. The question of whether 2A applies to open carry was not before the 9th Circuit, only concealed carry. That's not the court's problem, that's the litigants' problem. I imagine that the open carry issue is probably already making its way through the courts in CA and we'll hear about it within the next two years.
 
Courts can't rule on questions that are not before them. The question of whether 2A applies to open carry was not before the 9th Circuit, only concealed carry. That's not the court's problem, that's the litigants' problem. I imagine that the open carry issue is probably already making its way through the courts in CA and we'll hear about it within the next two years.

Actually, the partisan activists on the 9th Circus didn't answer the true question, for the en banc they had to change the question to fit their anti-gun agenda. The true question when it originally came before the 9th 3 judge panel was:

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2014/02/13/10-56971 web.pdf
Summary said:
Plaintiffs challenged a County of San Diego policy which interpreted California's restriction on carrying handguns in
public.

O'SCANNLAIN said:
We are called upon to decide whether a responsible, law-abiding citizen has a right under the Second Amendment to carry a firearm in public for self-defense.


Ray
 

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