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Drop drills used to be the scariest thing as far as indoctrination at schools. NJ locked down thousands of school kids that seemingly were safe (with so much law enforcement there). In thus school case it is the LEOs that look to be at fault. Uf there qas no danger fiund at the school and they felt they knew the kids that did it, what was the point of taking the parents guns? The community was no safer. No mention of arrest. The school itself caused more damage than needed.

Granted it was a dumb thing for a teenager to do but teenagers do dumb things. The education system should be aware of that.
Imo schools, Leo's etc are forced into "panic mode" right now due to the mass shootings. The red flag law is the way they exercise their panic.

Hopefully after the red flag laws have been active for a while the LEOs can put some kind of common sense back into the equation and do what u are talking about.

But there is a possibility that may never happen. I just saw a show on a British handgun that was like a murder mystery show. But instead of tracking the suspects they tracked the gun. "Then the gun disappeared for three years... then it popped back up at such and such a place." In England the forensic labs apparently are tracking the guns around the country, not the suspects.
 
In this day and age we are seeing, I wonder how many people think it could be a good idea to have someone you trust hold an item or two for them?:s0092:
 
A person could say that visible gun safes are a good option to store guns. A good option to hold some old crappy gun u don't mind getting taken one day, that is.
 
Gun confiscation during Katrina is a good example of what regulatory agencies may do when they act in panic mode. Every gun they could get disappeared, many never to return to their owners.

That is a lesson for what could happen in the future, whether under red flag laws or another incident That causes them to react in panic mode.
 
Gun confiscation during Katrina is a good example of what regulatory agencies may do when they act in panic mode. Every gun they could get disappeared, many never to return to their owners.

That is a lesson for what could happen in the future, whether under red flag laws or another incident That causes them to react in panic mode.
I didnt know anything about the Katrina confiscations until a year or so ago. It looks like refusal was not an option and they had no problem using extreme force if required.

 
Please explain how this protects them from confiscation?
Legal mumbojumbo. Documents say "all firearms possessed by xyz..."

XyZ holds no ownership of firearms, trust does. Trust documents are in safe, safe is not opened as trust is not mentioned by name.

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I wouldn't open bubblegum without our attorney present just like when I was accused of beating my child with a 2x4 by an estranged child's mother. All fabricated bullbubblegum. If attorney on retainer says "yup, this covers trust.." then I'd open if he says "you are clear" I'd give the middle finger.

Yes. Wife and I have attorney on retainer.
 
They do in California and yes it'll be here soon enough.
They're going to use this incident and incidents like this to push for bgcs on ammunition. Like I said, ammunition purchases as of now in most "free" states are not recorded. Kid having ammo at school doesn't = parents left ammo sitting out in their house but that's the conclusion they jumped to of course. "Must have been those CRAAZY gun owning parents!" :rolleyes: "Hopefully we can prevent loose ammo from showing up at schools again by forcing common sense ammo background checks!!"
 
Kids do dumb things...
A parent should teach their kid not to do dumb things....
As a Behavior Specialist in a school ....I teach kids not to do dumb things.
Yet kids will still do dumb things....

In today's world , bringing ammo to school is a very dumb thing.
Does it warrant a red flag and a search and seizure of a home and guns...?

Maybe...It all depends on the circumstances of the kid and his intent.
Events like these need to be looked at , in a case by case situation.
One of the many issues I have with Red Flag Laws is that it is a One size fits all solution...that really means one size fits none.
Andy
 
Kids do dumb things...
A parent should teach their kid not to do dumb things....
As a Behavior Specialist in a school ....I teach kids not to do dumb things.
Yet kids will still do dumb things....

In today's world , bringing ammo to school is a very dumb thing.
Does it warrant a red flag and a search and seizure of a home and guns...?

Maybe...It all depends on the circumstances of the kid and his intent.
Events like these need to be looked at , in a case by case situation.
One of the many issues I have with Red Flag Laws is that it is a One size fits all solution...that really means one size fits none.
Andy
Exactly. What happens if one of my kid's friends shows up at school with 9mm ammo he obtained through unsecured means and gets caught showing it to my kid and maybe another friend? Come execute an ERPO on me? Oh look I happen to have a 9mm gun, clearly I don't deserve guns because my kid has a moron friend (doesn't every kid have at least one moron friend?) I know I've had a few over the years of my youth. Red Flag laws are all about reducing the number of people with guns in society overall - they don't care WHO or if it's people who really shouldn't have guns - it's just about removing them.
 
You all need to get the facts before you take these people side.
I don't like the red flag laws.
But this is not the first time with this family.
Last month the kid got one of his dad's guns .
Loaded it and shot it inside his house .
Just because he wanted to shoot the gun.
Before that the other kid a girl was in trouble for posting online and telling other kids at school that she was going to kill them .
This family has a history of problems with the kids.
 
That's not legal in any West Coastal state...

Not true, in WA you can gift firearms (without BCG transfer) to family, to include aunts, uncles, grandparents, immediate family, etc.

Edit to say: 1639 and 594 both suck azz, but I made sure to read them both thoroughly and there are no provisions preventing family from gifting to family as long as the individuals receiving are not a prohibited person.
 
You all need to get the facts before you take these people side.
I don't like the red flag laws.
But this is not the first time with this family.
Last month the kid got one of his dad's guns .
Loaded it and shot it inside his house .
Just because he wanted to shoot the gun.
Before that the other kid a girl was in trouble for posting online and telling other kids at school that she was going to kill them .
This family has a history of problems with the kids.

I'm not taking the peoples side and yes those facts you presented change this particular set of circumstances and should have been included in this story. The only reason I can imagine they were excluded was that it makes the situation seem more unique/isolated which isn't as effective at creating a sense of uneasiness in the public.
I don't know what kind of people these parents are but it sounds like they've got some depraved little rats for kids. I cannot judge the parents based on the actions of the kids until I know more but it sounds like some very hard decision will need to be made in that family.
 
You all need to get the facts before you take these people side.
I don't like the red flag laws.
But this is not the first time with this family.
Last month the kid got one of his dad's guns .
Loaded it and shot it inside his house .
Just because he wanted to shoot the gun.
Before that the other kid a girl was in trouble for posting online and telling other kids at school that she was going to kill them .
This family has a history of problems with the kids.
Im sure none of us have all the facts and Im not sure the fine details matter all that much to me. Rights appear to have been violated. From the news artical
"As of Friday, no criminal charges have been filed, and deputies said they have not uncovered any specific threats towards the school or students"
If what you are saying is true, do we know the parents didnt take proper steps to see that the boy didnt have access to the firearms after proving to be untrustworthy?
Also from the artical "Officials said the firearms seized were all stored in safes inside the home"
Do we know that the ammo had even belonged to the parents?
Im just going off the article. No matter how you slice it, these red flags are a very slippery slope and are being abused.
 
Kids do dumb things...
A parent should teach their kid not to do dumb things....
As a Behavior Specialist in a school ....I teach kids not to do dumb things.
Yet kids will still do dumb things....

In today's world , bringing ammo to school is a very dumb thing.
Does it warrant a red flag and a search and seizure of a home and guns...?

Maybe...It all depends on the circumstances of the kid and his intent.
Events like these need to be looked at , in a case by case situation.
One of the many issues I have with Red Flag Laws is that it is a One size fits all solution...that really means one size fits none.
Andy

Yep. Kids are dumb, the reality is a lot of people are dumb and do dumb stuff and are in no position to teach their kids not to dumb stuff. All the more reason for me to have a gun (or several).

Red Flag, One size fits all, zero tolerance, all that B.S. is the lazy way out and creates more issues that it solves. I've said it many times, we are witnessing de-evolution.

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