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These came off my stock max (generation one, 1984 to 2008) the first year I owned it (I bought it new) I'm a heavy guy and ride two up sometimes so I needed easy adjustment and a little more ooompf.. (I also installed heavier fork springs and had to match them in the rear) These have less than 1,000 easy miles on them and with a little wash and wax will be as new.. first $100 takes them. Can ship for actual cost or FTF in the Olympia, WA State area