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Stink bugs.....

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Bigfoot, Feb 8, 2016.

  1. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    Good Lord. These things attacked my house for the first time last year when the weather turned. Since then about a dozen find their way into the house every day, I assume from the crawlspace.

    I've read this is a new Asian invasion so it's going to be worse every year? Anybody know of a solution? Do I have to burn panda bear fur or sumpting?

    I like the new look forum. Mea Culpa for straying.

    Flowers? Chocolates? Pajamas? You're prettier than your mom.
     
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  2. Salps

    Salps Down by the river…. Well-Known Member

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    Found one yesterday. Had 100's when I lived in Clackamas county.
     
  3. Velzey

    Velzey Estacada, Oregon Gunsmith Gunsmith Bronze Vendor Bronze Supporter

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    I've never seen anything like it! Any cardboard in my shop, drawn right to it they are, and in bulk!
     
  4. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Platinum Supporter Silver Supporter

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    Yep, we have them too.
     
  5. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    We've had them around for years, sometimes in huge numbers, but that's mostly outside the house. Mostly annoying. They do get in the house from time to time, we just escort them back out. Honestly they don't bug me as much as spiders do. They're only around part of the year, then they're gone again, so we don't think much about them.

    Let's tag @ZA_Survivalist, he's in the business and may have some suggestions for the OP.
     
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  6. Velzey

    Velzey Estacada, Oregon Gunsmith Gunsmith Bronze Vendor Bronze Supporter

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    I'm headed this way now, since I just found them wedged in my welding hood sweat band!

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  7. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    LMAO!
     
  8. Bigfoot

    Bigfoot Clack Co. OR Well-Known Member

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    Yea, that how I wanna escort em out.
     
  9. Larrytpdx

    Larrytpdx Portland, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    You mean F*ing Stinkbugs!
    We have 100's of them all over outside in this nice weather. Have 10-20 a day inside that we kill.
     
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  10. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    They can breed in massive numbers.
    Sometimes pockets of them are worse some years than others and at times almost non existant other years.

    Much of that has to do with the foliage around your house, if you've got giant trees there are plenty of food sources in and around those trees for those little guys and treating the exterior may be a PITA and not work at all.

    Topical treatments on living foliage are a waste of time, they act as sponges, leaving nearly no residual chemical.. Sure "some" work.. But with living things, chemicals tend not to stick, hence why they have sestemic chemicals. Ive heard some homeowners say they will spray up and into a tree, while you'll make a small dent in their numbers that really isnt going to stop the breeding or your infestation. Its like you personally going over to china and fighting a few guys and winning.. But there are about a billion more that'll come your way eventually. You're only making a small dent. If you were able to rid the problem, odds are your infestation wasnt that bad in the first place.. There are also many factors when it comes to these guys.

    As for how they get into the house, 90% is through the cracks and crevices in the attic area, think heat.. These guys LOVE sunny sides of houses and nice warm attics to overwinter in. They'll also wiggle through weep holes in windows and gaps in siding. (Depending on what type of siding you have. If you have vinyl siding.. Just throw in the towel. Vinyl siding has TONS of gaps that allow these guys to slip in). Im not saying it cant be done, but its a PITA if you're house is looser than a two dollar hooker.
    While some will come in through the crawlspace and over winter there, most are up in the attic and underneath the siding. Dusting with deltamethrin in the attic and crawlspace really does help control not only these little buggers but most other insects with a grooming process as well.

    So here is the sucky part, we as liscensed technicians are severely limited by the ODA and the EPA for how we can treat for these little guys.
    We can no longer broadcast spray a structure.. No company can. If they are, those comapnies are either breaking the law, using a "green" chemical that really doesnt have a residual OR they're just treating with mint oil to replicate an EC chemical (instant knockdown but no residual)
    The ODA and EPA have waged war on pest control companies.. Meaning in a few years it'll be as bad as it is in California.. If you followed every letter of the law in some parts of Cali.. Its near impossible to treat for anything. Sadly, when cali passes more regulation Oregon and Washington follow..

    However.. There is a little grey area in the law that says a home owner can treat their own property however they see fit.. But, that being said YOU are responsible for potentially making the living spaces in and around the structure toxic as well as tainting ground water.. But that takes a TON of chemical.. So follow the label, and dont exceed the mix rate and application rate on the label.
    No, using twice as much DOES NOT MAKE IT TWICE AS EFFECTIVE.
    Chemicals can be purchased on Domyownpestcontrol (dot) com and even AMAZON!
    Cypermethrin or most wetable powders that will adhear to a structure are what you're after. They have a longer residual half life once applied versus just an emulsifiable concentrate that acts more as an instant knock down. However, the EC is great for spot treating and taking most of these guys down instantly.

    One more thing, these guys have some chemical tolerance.
    (not to be confused with resistance)
    Meaning, some go down right away when sprayed, others seem to be unaffected. Dont keep spraying them.
    Hit your house with spray once, target and spot treat the large exterior pockets allow the applied spray to dry, then wait. Many will die, even those pesky ones that seemed to not go down right away.. However with these large pockets of insects.. There will be more.. There always is.. And it'll look like you never sprayed your house at all... Thats the tricky part. You can make a dent though. But treating your house just once and have nothing land on it ever again is near impossible.
    Nearly all current market comercial use or restricted use insecticides last no longer than 90 days.
    Dont reapply like crazy just because they may land on it & sit there for a while then perhaps pick up that chemical and die later, yes it can be frustrating.. But its a real crapshoot.. Its why we cant warranty the service.. There is no 100%, one shot, fool proof way of treating for these guys or box elders (or the other varieties in the genus) that wouldnt break the law (on our end).. But we can make a dent.
    So our hands are tied as licensed professionals.. Again, you can thank the ODA/EPA and their infinite retardation and lack of cognative thinking abilities for restricting treatment methods year after year. It'll get so bad we wont be able to use anything but that "green" crap.


    Sorry about the anti ODA tangent.
    I wrote all this before my first appointment.. Im sure there are typos galore.

    Long story short, dust your attic and crawlspace, treat your inside window areas with a diluted solution, treat the exterior with the normal label solution.
    Thats the best you can do. And believe it or not, its more than what actual pest control companies can do.. Unless they cheat and call an entire side of a house a "spot treatment"

    Other things may work, sure. In the pest world there are TONS of variables. What may work for some treatments doesnt work for others.
    Think about what professionals use and why we use it. The effectiveness of true insecticides is far greater than just using soap Or god knows what else you guys mix up.. Haha.
    I usually tell guys who brag about home brews a simple rolled up magazine or a shoe works too.. It just takes longer.

    Do what works for you though. I just gave you MY professional treatment method, well how we used to fully service for them.. Now its a little more restricted.

    Any questions PM me.
     
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  11. Joe13

    Joe13 NW of Vancouver Opinionated & Blunt Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I've seen YouTube videos of people making traps for them by cutting the top off a 2 litter and inverting it. Black tape all around it so no light leaks from the side and put a push on light under it.

    Supposedly they are attracted to light at night and you can help keep the inside a bit more free of those things.

    Not that it really helps in the long term, I think it's more of a bandaid if the ones inside get bad.
     
  12. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Just wait til we get Asian Wasps..

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  13. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    If you smash em, they stink.
    If you scare em, they stink.
    I scoop em into a paper cup and flush em or put em in the trash can
     
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  14. Mikej

    Mikej Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    Thanks for taking the time to write all that ZA, very helpful. Guess I've been lucky over the years. I see a few stinkbugs every year, nothing as bad as I'm hearing here though. And I have box elder bugs that winter in the wood pile. I just have to drop the wood on something solid before I move it into the house and most fall of.

    I've got some pretty scummy neighbors....Maybe they have all the bugs? Or maybe they keep the bugs out and they all go to the nicer "Hoods"?
     
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  15. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    It certainly makes a dent, I would have mentioned it, but as you said its smaller scale. But it does help!
    And if we're going that route, a zap light will work as well.. Perhaps a few of them.


    We use that same type of trap (mentioned by Joe13) with meat in it but open enough for them to fly away works well to draw yellow jacket, BFH and wasp attention away before a big BBQ weekend.
    Have them establish a scent trail 4-5 days before, also using pharamone as an attractant but not "trapping" them. Thus they'll have a scent trail leading to a known food source and less of a chance of them coming to your delicious BBQ. Then bring out the actual traps the day of with TONS of pharamone inside those neon traps.. Works every time. (For yellow jackets)
    BFH and Wasps are another story.

    I do that at my house and on our family ranch in California for our outdoor festivities.
     
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  16. clearconscience

    clearconscience Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I had them at my house but not bad.
    My brother had them by the truckload at his house.

    We were trimming his bushes that line his backyard with a hedge trimmer and it looked like the end of times with all the buggers coming out of there.

    He was told by an exterminator there wasn't much you can do other than wipe out there food sourses.

    He did say you can spray them with dish soap and water and the soapy water breaks down the shell and will kill them.

    So my brother did that with a spray bottle daily where they concentrated and it helped a lot.

    Also I hear mixing peppermint oil and water and spraying around your house works great for bugs and spiders.
     
  17. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    For some other folks looking at spider treatments:

    For spiders there are no residual chemicals or smells that can repel them. But you can kill them with a direct application.
    Spiders dont have a grooming process so once any chemical is dry they'll walk right over it.. So killing off food sources, using glue boards near doors and removing close proximity shrubbery is all one can really do.
    At least with spiders they go down easy when you spray them unlike the box elders and related family.

    If you live next to large trees they will start ballooning here in another couple months (first wave) where the young spiders cast a sting of web and allow the wind to carry them.. Most often its right onto houses and yards around the taller trees they came from.

    Side note:
    Thats another huge scam in the pest industy, if anyone says they can prevent spiders 100% they're lying through their teeth. You can make a dent, but even I cant stop 100% of the spider activity at some locations.. And Im pretty darn good ;).

    People sign up for these worthless contracts and get scammed or lied to. Then when the home owner calls them back, after the second retreat the company will start coming up with reasons as to why the treatment isnt working.. Or in some cases they'll just avoid the home owner. An honest company will let you know their limitations and be upfront with reality and expectations.
    So be careful when signing up or purchasing from some of these guys.
     
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  18. Salps

    Salps Down by the river…. Well-Known Member

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    Oh their not so bad until they start flying around...
     
  19. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    Hate to see where ya'll live:eek:. I haven't seen a single one inside or outside. just make sure you keep them there I'm happy the way it is here.:p
     
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  20. Velzey

    Velzey Estacada, Oregon Gunsmith Gunsmith Bronze Vendor Bronze Supporter

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    I have a 15 gallon shop vac that I have been sucking them up into for a month.. Then put a cap on the nozzle..
    I have a 4 year old boy that loves bugs and welp he decided to pop the top open last night...

    It's the first time he has ever screamed for me to shoot something!!!!:s0014:
     
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