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Stiff sentence considering no one was hurt

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by boogerhook, Apr 30, 2015.

  1. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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  2. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Does seem excessive, wonder what the reason is?
     
  3. balaperdida

    balaperdida eastern idaho Well-Known Member

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    Stiff?
    No.
    If the homeowner had been armed, the perp might be dead.
     
  4. MrNatural

    MrNatural Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Like all government-based organizations, the Cop Cult (including prosecutors and some judges) HATES competition.

    ONLY Der Polezei are allowed to kick in the wrong door and terrorize innocents with impunity. Anyone else is severely punished!

    And if the bondsman shot the people's dog for fun, he was probably prosecuted for "impersonating an officer".
     
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  5. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    It is still wrong, this could have turned into something bigger if the HO had been armed and reversed the situation.

    There is NO EXCUSE for an armed entry at a wrong address!!! NONE!!! It is incompetence at the highest level!!!
     
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  6. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    A just sentence !
    LE that do that to wrong addresses should also pay the price.
     
  7. bolus

    bolus Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    armed or not, are they allowed to enter a home without permission?
     
  8. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    possibly if there is a warrant
     
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  9. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    The correct home, not any home.
    That is wht got him the sentence.
    There is no mistake or error that can he condoned in any way.
    People, innocent people have died from mistakes (carelessness) like that.
     
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  10. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    Bondsmen are just people, they have no special rights. They have to follow law just as everyone else.

    If you burst into a house and held the residents at gunpoint and do not have a government issued badge you are committing a number of serious and aggressive felonys.

    The fact the guy thought he was above the law because of his job has little bearing on the legal ramifications
     
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  11. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    A warrant still must be executed by law enforcement. A bondsman has no authority in such matters
     
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  12. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    so how do they capture anyone, if they have zero commission? Citizen arrest?
     
  13. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Yes
     
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  14. IronMonster

    IronMonster Washington Opinionated Member Diamond Supporter

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    I think when you sign the bond paperwork you are signing an agreement stating this bondsman has the ability to gather you up and you agree to let him. You have lost some of your rights because if you violate your bond you are a fugitive. That is pure speculation though.
     
  15. Nightcrawler

    Nightcrawler Snohomish County, WA Active Member

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    IMHO, this is no different than the police using a search warrant and hitting the wrong house. This guy had the responsibility to verify his information prior to traumatizing people by illegally entering their home. He did use a firearm in committing this illegal act, which is supposed to be an aggravating factor. Might help explain it. He wasn't simply "doing his job".... just like the police, he has a responsibility to uphold.
     
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  16. boogerhook

    boogerhook Seattle Well-Known Member

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    I totally agree, just wondering whether 15 years in the slammer fits the crime? There have been many manslaughter cases where the perp got anywhere between 1 year and a max of 10, and someone innocent has actually lost their life. The BBRA made a number of mistakes. Wrong house, forcing entry instead of calling the police, and holding innocent people at gun point... but none of that was malicious - stupid, very stupid, but 15 years?

    Something tells me it won't hold.
     
  17. Justaguy

    Justaguy PNW Member

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    how many cops get a 15yr sentence for kicking in the wrong door?
     
  18. SCARed

    SCARed Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    Actually I believe bail bondsman have greater leeway than police. They can forcibly enter homes if they have good reason to believe a fugitive is inside, without warrants.
    I think there's much more to this story than is being reported.

    Here's the applicable RCWs
    http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=18.185

    And before someone jumps down my ish about "notifying police before a planned forced entry", note it just says that an agent must report within 10 days if a planned OR UNPLANNED forced entry occurs. If its unplanned, no LEO would be present or even notified when it happens.
     
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  19. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    Bad lawyer may be his problem? He has done questionable things before?
    He is lucky to be alive today.Lucky some 12yo wasn't in a bedroom to his side and come out shooting.
    Maybe that ,or the prison term will make these hollywood wanna bee recovery agents think about who they really are
     
  20. shootnscoot

    shootnscoot Wa Well-Known Member

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    He refused to take responsibility and rejected the deals the prosecutor offered, and instead rolled the dice with a jury. They found him guilty. The fact he had a gun upped his sentence 8 years. Probably a good idea to know who's house you are breaking into before rolling up and kicking in doors. He could have been killed by the homeowner on entry and it would have been justified.