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Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by doubletap007, Feb 3, 2012.

  1. doubletap007

    doubletap007 Beaverton Active Member

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    I at first wanted to join this open carry in starbucks on valentines day but today at work I was thinking......

    Starbucks is high up on my list of favorite companies for standing up for our 2a rights and I cant help but feeling that having their shops filled with a flashmob of people with guns strapped to their hips may not be the best way to thank them.

    I see this backfiring on us as well as starbucks.I think giving them our business is good for sure,wearing a shirt or hat with gun stuff on them is good and cool but I feel that the open carry mob might make their problems worse with the public and cause them to capitulate under pressure and ban guns in their stores.

    I dont like to give in to the fearfull anti-gunners but I just see this going bad and making things worse.Why not show our true class of gun enthusiasts and just say thank you for not descriminating against our 2a rights without bringing more heat on starbucks?....otherwise in a few months we will be boycotting starbucks for banning guns.
     
  2. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    I agree. Thank them the way any for-profit corp wants to be thanked - your $$. I don't even drink coffee anymore and I'll be going. Maybe for one of their $8 dried-out turkey sandwiches in the cold case.

    Granted, seeing a bunch of open-carry people would be entertaining. Counter-productive and crapping on a company that supported 2A, but the reactions of the soccer moms should be priceless.
     
  3. U201494

    U201494 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed.
    Why risk putting a public company like this at odds with it's customers and potential customers?
    I will continue to frequently patronize Starbuck's and I have no need to try to prove a point with a gun displayed while doing so.
     
  4. doubletap007

    doubletap007 Beaverton Active Member

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    i guess my point is just that if i was the owner or ceo of starbucks and i am a gun owner or chl holder then i want to allow my fellow man to exercise his 2a rights....but im a business man too and if i run my customers away by filling my stores with a bunch of cowboys cocked and locked flashing guns around then 1/2 of my customer base will walk out and not come back.

    coffee shops have all types of people in them and from a business perspective you have to make them all feel at home in your store.
    starbucks is a rare breed these days to stand up for us so i just dont want to do them dirty.
     
  5. 19 Adam

    19 Adam rural Clackamas County, Oregon Active Member

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    I'll be there with my wife wearing our I Love Guns and Coffee sweatshirts over our concealed carry.
     
  6. doubletap007

    doubletap007 Beaverton Active Member

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    now that speaks volumes without causing a big uproar.
    i can just see the local media having a hayday spinning an opencarry issue into a"see we need to ban guns,there carrying loaded guns into coffee shops now!"
     
  7. U201494

    U201494 Well-Known Member

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    Can you provide the source for the cool and stylish sweatshirt?
    I need 2.
    Thanks!
     
  8. EMP9596

    EMP9596 Two Trees West of Camas, WA. Active Member

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    The above was also brought up here: http://www.northwestfirearms.com/legal-political/78830-starbucks-valentines-day-4.html#post547541

    *** ALSO: Source for SB Shirts mentioned in this thread.
    http://ilovegunsandcoffee.com/
     
  9. padd54

    padd54 Central Oregon/Cascades Active Member

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    I was going to support them untill they came and stated that they fully support Gay Marriage as a fundamental right.
     
  10. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    You can't have everything your way in today's world. Pick your fights. Since Starbucks is a rare breed which supports my gun rights, I'll stop for coffee. They can wear zombie costumes while they serve it for all I care.

    Pick your other political battles elsewhere, IMHO.
     
  11. doubletap007

    doubletap007 Beaverton Active Member

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    i wonder why they felt they needed to do that?probably like most libs they have to show how fake...oops i mean politically correct they are?
    why does a coffee shop have to jump on that train? i dont understand...i am glad they support our 2a rights though
     
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    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Why did they feel they needed to jump on the pro-2A train? I'm just glad they did. It's their store otherwise...
     
  13. padd54

    padd54 Central Oregon/Cascades Active Member

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    To me they are all intertwined, I refuse to compromise my core values, IMHO of course.
     
  14. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    I'll be there with my j frame comfortably concealed, buying some of their horrible coffee.
    I'll probably throw a mention as to why i'm there and a larger than normal tip.

    I'm against all forms of government regulated marriage, but that's a story for a different thread.
     
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  15. Gunner3456

    Gunner3456 Salem Well-Known Member

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    I don't question your right to do that if it's that important to you.
     
  16. Jammer Six

    Jammer Six North Greenlake, Seattle New Member

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    Exactly!

    I don't care who you sleep with and I certainly don't care who you love. In fact, I encourage you to find love wherever you can, and as long as the other mammal is an adult and consents, you have my approval.

    And I really prefer that you keep those matters private.

    What I won't tolerate is your repression, legal, "moral" (note the quotes) or philosophical, based on who you love.
     
  17. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Like Chris Rock said, "Why should straight people be the only ones to suffer?" I used to be a gay-hater thanks to my former "moral" delusion, so I understand the thinking. It is possible to live and learn, thankfully.

    I say Starbucks at Pioneer Square would be the most centrally accessible location. Hope to see a lot of NWFA folks there over the noon hour.
     
  18. CharonPDX

    CharonPDX Portland, OR Active Member

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    There have been open carry rallies at Starbucks locations before. Yeah, I'm sure they lost a little business that day over it, but the OCers seemed to more than make up for it.

    Starbucks is not "gun friendly", they are "gun neutral", they have never made any public statement "in support" of gun rights - always "we follow local laws" and similar wording.

    As I said in the other thread, I'll be at the one in Portland at SW 2nd & Main - across the street from Police Central Precinct. There are *ALWAYS* police in their with weapons (obviously) displayed.

    And, to got with your statement, Noisycow, now there is *ANOTHER* boycott of Starbucks planned: Christian Pastor Calls For Starbucks Boycott Over Gay Marriage Support

    Yup, Starbucks has publicly announced their support for the Washington legislation legalizing same-sex marriage working its way through right now - so a pastor is calling for a boycott over it. Now I have two reasons to support Starbucks! I'll have to make up cards telling them both reasons I'm there. (I have now been to Starbucks more in the past two weeks than in the 2 years combined.)
     
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  19. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    Still not looking forward to that nasty sandwich or a yogurt parfait that looks a few hours old LOL! They may be the kings of coffee, but damn, their choice of meals really stinks. A 7-11 has better choices for food and they're not $8+.

    As far as the misguided pastor looking for attention from his flock of sheep, I could care a less about him. Been there myself, and not proud of it. I am living proof that people can rationalize their way out of delusion if they put their mind and heart to task.
     
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  20. rattler one-7

    rattler one-7 Washington New Member

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    Just thought I would float this out there. Rights are not about what you "want" to do or what you do in private. We are talking about redefining a rather public thing.

    Everyone currently has the exact same "rights" in regards to "state" sponsored marriage. Everyone (assuming they are not currently married) can legally marry someone of the opposite sex (I think the Y chromosome would be the determining factor here), who is not currently married, is of legal age, and is not a close relative.

    Mark my words. When this happens in enough states. The rights of people who disagree to express themselves will be attacked in whatever way the "STATE" can think of to do so. Think if you are licensed to perform your profession (eg. the Christian counselor that the Alliance Defense Fund is currently defending) or work for a state (like a public school) or federal agency.

    Remember the cry of the "tolerant". "The only thing we will not tolerate is intolerance!!" Which by the way is pretty much anyone who disagrees with them. Kinda ironic... But hey, my 2 cents and worth every penny :)