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Stand Your Ground laws Challenged at the UN

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  1. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    Stand Your Ground laws Challenged at the UN

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    October 12, 2013
    Stand Your Ground laws Challenged at the UN

    Ben Cohen


    This month, the United Nation's Committee on Human Rights (CHR) will be considering a report submitted by the Dream Defenders, the NAACP, and the Community Justice Project of Florida Legal Services. Dream Defender Ahmad Abuznaid will travel to Geneva to meet with the CHR. The report alleges that the U.S. is in violation of its treaty obligations under the "International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights," (ICCPR). Specifically, stand your ground laws, (SYG), violate America's obligation to protect the lives of its citizens. They also allege that juries apply these laws in a racially discriminatory fashion, although this doesn't appear to be the formal charge levied against the United States.
    The reports states, "These laws make it easier for people to murder other human beings and without facing legal consequences. They essentially eviscerate any deterrent to gun related homicides, and provide a road map to getting out of jail with blanket immunity." To support this claim the report cites a study conducted at the University of Texas A&M. The study alleges that Stand Your Ground laws cause 500-700 additional homicides in the states that have adopted them. They also cite additional data showing that in SYG states homicides are more likely to be ruled justifiable. According to the report, this violates America's sworn commitment not to arbitrarily deprive Americans of their lives.
    Further, they argue that the law is discriminatory because it aggravates pre-existing racial disparities, based on a study conducted by the National Urban Institute. The study found that white-on-black killings are more likely to be ruled justifiable in SYG states, without a similar increase in the likelihood of black-on-white killings being ruled justifiable; ergo, the law is discriminatory in effect.
    The report does not formally charge America with violating its commitment not to discriminate on the basis of race or ethnicity. Rather, the report charges America with violating the sanctity of life provisions in Article 6 of the covenant. It goes on to make recommendations for how the U.S could bring themselves into compliance with international law; a new assault weapons ban, a federal repeal of all SYG laws, a ban on "straw purchases," and passage of the "End Racial Profiling Act."
    The evidence presented in the report does not come close to establishing its claims. As the report acknowledges only a small fraction of homicides are eventually ruled justifiable, they cite the figure of 2%, clearly SYG laws do not "legalize murder." Further, the claims of racial bias are similarly unsubstantiated. The report doesn't attempt to show why more white-on-black homicides would be ruled justifiable in SYG states. Instead, the report assumes the statistics themselves constitute prima-facie evidence of discrimination. Racial bias is obviously not the only explanation for these discrepancies. Rates of gun-ownership and crime vary tremendously by race. Juries may be dutifully interpreting the law in a race neutral fashion, but are confronted by a comparatively larger number of marginal self-defense cases involving white-on-black killings.
    Most importantly, even if the claims are true what would SYG states be guilty of? They would be guilty of passing a stupid law that resulted in additional deaths, and guilty murderers going free. How would the petitioners feel if the UN ruled that Colorado's marijuana laws lead to more traffic deaths, and were depriving innocent Americans of their right to life? Nobody has alleged that the law is either explicitly or implicitly discriminatory, they allege that the law has had an adverse effect on African-Americans relative to other groups. How would the NAACP and the Dream Defenders feel if the UN decided that affirmative action has an adverse effect on white people, and so it has to be abolished?
    Maybe stand your ground is a dumb law, but it was passed by the elected representatives of the people of Florida. It is the prerogative of the people to decide whether the costs of a law outweigh the benefits, not the UN. Legislatures have to consider such tradeoffs all the time; speed limits, sale of fireworks, helmet laws, etc. Expanding the scope of human rights law to include the minutiae of our criminal code effectively ends national sovereignty, and imposes a single standard on the world
     
  2. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    So where is the U.N. outrage and reports over all the killings and deprivation of human life in Somalia, and Rowanda, and Pakistan, and Afganistan, and China, and Kampuchea (Cambodia), and Sudan, and Lebanon, and Syria, and Angola, and etc, etc, etc?


    SUCK IT, you worthless, jealous little U.N. twits!! I'll use your skulls to eat my morning helping of Cap'n Crunch in.
     
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  3. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, maybe if people cut the perps head off on video and changed "stand your ground" to "stand your honor killing" they would approve.
    S _ _ _ _ the UN! They have no standing here !
     
  4. JSJPDX

    JSJPDX East Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    US out of the UN and UN out of the US
     
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  5. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    The greatest thing about having the UN in the US is any world leader who wants to come to the UN to denouce the US has to get a visa to come here.... despite bluster to the opposite, anti-US heads of state still need to bow down and fill out the paperwork just like everyone else. How embarrassing.
     
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    JSJPDX East Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter

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    I would be willing to forego that little pleasure for the millions (billions?) of dollars that the US taxpayer has to spend to support this useless organization. The US doesn't need the UN; they need us. It's time for some other country to have the "honor" of having the UN in their country.
     
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    LoneStar WA Active Member

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    :thumbup:
     
  8. Hrethgir

    Hrethgir Beaverton, OR Active Member

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    So the UN is upset that SYG laws deprive life from criminals? But they would be OK with the criminal shooting us in the back as we try to run away. UN needs to go away.
     
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    mrblond Salem OR Well-Known Member

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    Worthless eurotrash.
     
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  10. Tug

    Tug Seattle Member

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    We need to get out of nato also
     
  11. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    The UN is predominantly made up of Communist and Islamic countries.
    They DO NOT have America's best interests at heart, but that is just
    fine with the current administrations agenda. of (Disarm, bankrupt, subvert and destroy)
     
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  12. Caveman Jim

    Caveman Jim West of Oly Springer Slayer 2016 Volunteer

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    I love blue as a target, it matches my eyes....
     
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  13. Capn Jack

    Capn Jack Wet-Stern Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    un_blue_helmet.jpg I love this one.:thumbup:

    Enough said?

    Jack...:cool:

    un_blue_helmet.jpg
     
  14. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Hopefully that was somewhere near 500 To 600 yds.
    Well at the least over 300?
    Yeah, cool :)
     
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    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    44mag2ndamend Round the ole tree stump, Down by the crick Well-Known Member

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    My Friend,

    I think its time we all thought about our future, I personally would like to nominate you as an elected official, for whatever part of office you would like.

    Looking out for our neighbors, is highly thought of in these parts of town.
     
  17. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    That will be a very cold day in hell.:biglaugh:

    It was predictable he would be doing something not in the country's best interest while everyone was concerning themselves with all the circuses in play in Dc.
     
  18. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    So to all you Obamaites who think he's the greatest thing since Christ... How's that "hope and change" workin' out for ya?


    Same sheite, different day, different party...
     
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  19. Mongo1

    Mongo1 Santiam Canyon Active Member

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    I wonder if the un (they don't rate capitol letters) thinks we will obey them? I will NOT be policed by foreign troops. A blue helmet is a target in my opinion.
     
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  20. Misterbill

    Misterbill Yakima County, Washington New Member

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    And in other news... The UN appointed Iran as chair of the UN Human Rights Committee. -yawn... Who gives a rip what the UN does?
     
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