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SPD's Capt. Neil Low recommends...

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by waltermitty, Nov 30, 2012.

  1. waltermitty

    waltermitty seattle Active Member

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    (....that you not defend your home using a firearm. how cavalier)

    Home invasion attempt turns into shootout
    KOMO STAFF
    Published 10:20 p.m., Thursday, November 29, 2012

    Police say a North Beacon Hill man was shot in the leg during a Thursday night home invasion robbery.

    The attempted robbery took place at roughly 8:20 p.m. at a home in the 2300 block of 24th Avenue South.

    Police say three armed men tried to get into the house, at which point the four men who rent the home armed themselves and the two groups got into a shootout.

    One of the renters, a man in his early 20s, was shot in the leg during the melee. He was treated at Harborview Medical Center and is expected to make a full recovery.

    The three would-be robbers ran away and police have yet to track them down. Officers don't believe any of them were injured in the shootout.

    Seattle Police Capt. Neil Low said the street in question is normally quiet and there does not appear to be any criminal history at the home.

    He also said he wouldn't encourage homeowners to get into gun battles with robbers.

    "We tell people on the street, 'It's only money.' Do you want to engage in something and escalate it to where now you're fighting for your life?" he said.

    The investigation is ongoing.

    Home invasion attempt turns into shootout - seattlepi.com
     
  2. PBinWA

    PBinWA Clark County Well-Known Member

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    Until it turns into murder, rape, or something worse. Police Captains are the worst political (rhymes with horse).

    I'd rather be shot in the leg than dead.
     
  3. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Somehow I doubt you're that attractive.
     
  4. kengrubb

    kengrubb Olympia, WA New Member

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    A home invasion is NOT just about money. It's a violent encounter, and CLEARLY deadly force is justified in the face of a home invasion under RCW. He might also want to check out what the BJS says about home invasions.

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/vdhb.pdf
     
  5. kengrubb

    kengrubb Olympia, WA New Member

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    "My sister got a horse and it broke it's leg, so I had to shoot it. Now it has a broken leg and a gunshot wound."
    --Larry the Cable Guy
     
  6. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Well Mr. Police Officer .... you are right. I don't want to get in a gun fight in my home or anywhere for that matter. But you can bet your badge that if someone breaks into my home it's about a whole lot more than money at that point. I will exchange bullets for as long as it takes to protect myself, my wife, and my possessions in my home. Normally I am very pro-police but in this instance this officer can take his advice and wash it down with a couple glazed donuts.
     
  7. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    He's from Seattle so most likely does not eat donuts. I bet he's a croissant and non-fat latte kind of guy
     
  8. Squidly

    Squidly Sandy Active Member

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    I bet Capt. Low would not follow his own advice. After all, police are the only ones professional enough to defend themselves with a gun, right?
    :rolleyes:
     
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  9. PX4WA

    PX4WA Tacoma, WA Active Member

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    if he clearly will follow this advice and keep no weapons at home and leave his service firearm at the precinct locker it would be more believable
     
  10. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    It's Seattle. They expect you to dial 911 and if it gets really desperate, throw a chair at the bad guy.
     
  11. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    What if it's just a burglary went wrong ? There is no violent intent in a burglary.
     
  12. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    If I confront a burgler in my home and they run then I don't shoot. If he closes distance with me I feel threatened and he finds out if I can hit what I am shooting at.
     
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  13. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    It's only money... Spoken like a politician who feeds from the 2.8million-dollar, golden trough filled by baseline budgeting.

    A police chief is a politician, NOT a police officer. My money is on him being more concerned how Seattle will rate in this or that poll, ranging from "most livable" to "most happy" city, along with the mayor and other political hacks.

    All "form" and no SUBSTANCE... the usual politician.
     
  14. hermannr

    hermannr Okanogan Highlands Well-Known Member

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    Home invasion is called a violent felony, by statute (see RCW 9A.) You need no excuse to use deadly force.
     
  15. rsmccsman

    rsmccsman Hillsboro Go Blazers!

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    If they had no violent intent why were the 3 would be "burglars" aka "home invaders" armed? One of the residents was shot the leg by this so called burglar with no violent in intent.
     
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  16. kengrubb

    kengrubb Olympia, WA New Member

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    I guess that depends what you are asking.

    Insofar as the law is concerned, intent does not matter. Sorta like felony murder where you don't have to intend someone to get killed to be charged.

    Insofar as the burglar is concerned, that's going to be a situational call.

    Scenario #1 - Someone smashes the front window and starts coming through, 7 PM at night, it's dark outside, half the lights in the house are lit, that one seems like an intentional act so their actions are likely to be commensurate with that presumption.

    Scenario #2 - I come home and surprise a burglar in the house. I'll draw and come up on target, even if the burglar turns and runs away from me. If the burglar is heading away from me, say out the other door or a smashed window, I'll pursue and chase 'em out. Legally, I could shoot 'em, but I won't unless I need to.

    Scenario #3 - Same as #2, except the burglar runs away from me and towards the wife or one of the kids. That's going to be a bad day for the burglar, and a day of explaining for me, because that's one of those perhaps rare situations where I would assert the need to shoot someone in the back.
     
  17. Flyingswords

    Flyingswords Texas Active Member

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    Id tell that pansy police Capt he can kiss my ***. Unless you have squad cars in front of my property on protective duty 24/7, the burglars better hope they can run faster than 980 ft/sec or their bodies better be bulletproof.
     
  18. Mohawk13

    Mohawk13 Home on The Range Active Member

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    I belong in My House, They don't..They die..Nuff said...Yuppie Scumbag from Seattle be damned...
     
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  19. Spray-n-pray

    Spray-n-pray Battle Ground Moderator Staff Member

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    He's says, "It's only money?"

    Okay, so originally I typed out a fairly lengthy response to this, but erased it in favor of a much more concise thought. I really only have two words for this dil hole police chief.

    Suck. It.
     
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  20. Redcap

    Redcap Lewis County, WA Well-Known Member

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    Yeah.