Sorry for the logic

[Mark W.]

I've blantantly stolen this from a Thread on Rimfire Central where some really good guys hang out and talk rimfire stuff.


It is in response to comments about DHS causing the current ammo shortages.


The Original Poster on Rinfire Central is PGI all credit for the research goes to him.

Umm, not exactly. This goes back to a Forbes article that quoted a DenverPost article which quoted.....nothing. Nobody. Nada. Who knows when/where/why/how...the publication didn't even meet the bare minimum of journalistic integrity.

Here's what HAS occurred from what I can find thus far. DHS put out a Presolicitation Notice for setting up an Indefinite Delivery Indefinite Quantity (IDIQ) type contract vehicle for consolidated 40cal training ammunition purchases. Its also considered a GWAC; Government-Wide Acquisition Contract, meaning any federal agency can purchase using it if they MIPR (transfer) funds to cover. Basically, a "group buy" for all agencies.

NOWHERE in the notice does it say "1.6B rounds of ammunition". It does have a cap of maximum rounds of 50m/yr, totalling 250M. Besides, the average SOF guy shoots 5k/rds a week in training....run those numbers out and 1.6B isn't anything to be concerned about. DHS runs a national training center in the southeast and that alone could easily consume 250M rds over 5yrs.

If anything, be concerned about the necessity of spending $$$ on training vs. automatically putting a tinfoil hat on and thinking the "man" is out to get us. He/she is not. I encourage everybody to ignore the BS being touted and RESEARCH this stuff yourself. Nearly every federal purchase of goods is public in some manner, unless its for sensitive programs.

Search for any government procurement notices with the keyword "ammunition" in it at FBO:

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=list&tab=list

Here's the only "bulk" purchase recently and again, its a contract vehicle, not a purchase (and a contemplated one, not actual). https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportun...=core&_cview=0

:
Solicitation Number: HSBP1013R0023
Notice Type:
Presolicitation
Synopsis:
Added: Dec 19, 2012 10:45 am

U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) intends to solicit offers in response to Request for Proposal (RFP) HSBP1013R0023 for 40 Smith & Wesson (40 SW) Caliber Training Ammunition for CBP and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) component locations nationwide, including those in the continental U.S., Alaska, Hawaii, Guam, the Northern Marianna Islands, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands. HSBP1013R0023 is scheduled to be issued on or about January 20, 2013.

This requirement will be procured as a full and open competition.

The purpose of this solicitation is to achieve price savings over the current 40 SW ammunition. Resulting award will be used for training/qualifications only, not for duty use. The requirement will result in an indefinite delivery / indefinite quantity (ID/IQ) contract against which individual delivery orders will be placed. Estimated quantity is approximately 50,000,000 (50 million) rounds of 40 SW training ammunition per year, totaling 250,000,000 (250 million) rounds over the life of the contract. Key criteria for the training ammunition includes, but is not limited to, being easily distinguishable from duty ammunition (both in packaging and cartridge appearance), and meeting ballistic criteria to insure officer competency requirements are achievable.

All items shall be in accordance with the statement of work and RFP that will be provided at time of solicitation issuance. The awarded contract will be for a period of five (5) years from date of award.

The applicable North American Industry Classification System (NAICS) code is 332992. The Small Business size standard is 1000 employees.

Please address any questions to John Crockett, Contract Specialist, via email at [email protected]. Telephone inquires will not be accepted.

Contracting Office Address:
6650 Telecom Drive
Intech Two, Suite 100
Indianapolis, Indiana 46278
United States

Place of Performance:
Nationwide

United States

Primary Point of Contact.:
John Thomas Crockett,
Contract Specialist
[email protected]
Phone: 3176144969Secondary Point of Contact:
Richard A Travis,
Contracting Officer
[email protected]
Phone: 317-614-4580

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[RBid]

The shortage is being caused by hoarders, plain and simple. There are thousands of people around town who are sitting on multiple thousands of rounds, and who are continuing to buy everything they see.

 

[PDXSparky]

The shortage is being caused by hoarders, plain and simple. There are thousands of people around town who are sitting on multiple thousands of rounds, and who are continuing to buy everything they see.

Agreed. While I have an adequate supply of ammo, I won't be buying any more until some time in the future when the prices are more reasonable, or until I run out of 9mm for my SWD M11/9

 

[ZigZagZeke]

I've blantantly stolen this from a Thread on Rimfire Central where some really good guys hang out and talk rimfire stuff.

That's all well and good, but I'm not taking the inability of somebody on an anonymous internet forum to find an actual government contract as proof that it doesn't exist. These sales and procurements have been widely reported in credible sources. I've seen pictures of deliveries. And 5000 rounds per week per person? Really? That's 1000 rounds per day for training. In an 8 hour day that's 2 rounds per minute for 8 hours, without lunch, or breaks, or instruction periods, etc. That's hard to swallow. There's something going on here beyond hoarding. When a large retailer receives 2 or 3 boxes of any one caliber ammunition a week there's a problem with the supply chain. If they were receiving 100 boxes a week and the shelves were still empty then I'd believe it was hoarding. But when Bi-Mart tells me there's nothing in their warehouse and they don't know when they might get any more it's NOT hoarding.

 

[Ironbar]

I admit that I snapped up about 2,800 rounds of .22lr a couple weeks ago when opportunity presented itself, but I'm not hoarding it, I'm shooting it!

 

[HuckFin]

I remember back in '94' during Clinton's assault weapon ban, prices were skyrocketing on every thing pre-ban. but we were still getting container ship loads of ammo ( sks, 921 compliant, ak's etc. ) I was buying 7.62 x 39 for $69. a case and I could buy any caliber I wanted and as many as I wanted. And yes, I was buying guns and hoarding ammo along with most of my friends. So - could imports be part of the problem? Not to mention, back then we didn't have our current police state competing with the military.

 

[Jammer Six]

I have some .22LR for sale: a buck a round.

 

[CascadeSam]

The BiMart on Woodstock has received 22LR three times during the past three months. Each time they limited the number of boxes or bricks that one person could purchase. In each delivery, the quantity was minimal. Stores from Big 5 to Wall Mart lgs have also received minimal shipments and are limiting the number of 22LR bricks people can buy usually from one to three. Other calibers of ammo are simply not even arriving at the stores. There are other things impacting the retail stores inventory besides horders.

 

[mosinguy1]

Nearly every federal purchase of goods is public in some manner, unless its for sensitive programs. That phrase alone bothers me. I'm sorry our gooberment has lied so many times to us and tried to cover up so much, I plain and simple do not trust them!!!! To many countries in the past have sacrificed thier own for the betterment of the more shall we say deserving!!!!!