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So you can say I am a numbers guy. I look at the numbers to see if the data matches what people say. So when I seen folks ask if we fought back on the gun grab push would we have a chance against the military and law enforcement?
My disclaimer: First I do not promote violence or want to see or promote a civil war. The numbers I have found are averages based on several web sites with the most current data I could find.
So lets start with the military and law enforcement:
Average military troops 2,315,958 active and reserve combined.
Average law enforcement 800,000 state, local and federal combined.
Total 3,115,958
So for safety sake lets add 10% to this amount for possible errors. Even though a lot of cities are cutting back on law enforcement personal due to lack of funds. Also remember this is total number but at any one time more than 1/3rd of are troops are stationed overseas.
Total plus 10% equals 3,427,553
So we have 3.5 (rounded up) million military and law enforcement currently serving.
So lets look at gun owners:
They say that 32% to 45% of households currently have firearms. No one knows for sure the real number so we will use 32% just to see how it plays out. So how many households are there in the US?
2010 data shows 132,312,404 households and I feel this is a good number as housing did not grow much in 2011 or 12. So 32% of 132,312,404 equal 42,339,969 homes with firearms. I think this is low but I will go with it.
They say there are 300 million guns in the US (I cannot verify) but by this data that would put 7 guns in each of the 42,339,969 homes. I like numbers so say there are only 200 million and not 300 million like they say that would still put 4 firearms in each of the households.
So let us say that the ban goes through and you need to turn in your firearms. Say that 90 percent comply with this order leaving 10% who become felons. This is still 4,233,996 homes with an average of 4 (lower number 7 is the higher number) firearms each. This still leaves 16,935,984 (at 4 per household) firearms not in the system and 4,233,996 owners who have nothing to lose as they are all ready felons for non compliance. They also say the average household is 2.6 people so there may be mutable members in the household in non compliance meaning more people than households so the number is could be much higher.
So even if all of the 3.5 million law enforcement and military where stationed in the US there would still be 733,996 more gun toting felons than law enforcement and military, and remember not all military and law enforcement will comply as well.
Many of these new non compliant felons are prior military and have training and swore to uphold the Constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic.
Now in just the last year 19.6 million background checks where done and even if you take away 10% for denies it would still leave 17.64 million new purchases and many had bought more than one firearm per background check so in reality this number is also higher.
So would gun owner have a chance, I feel the answer is yes as we have seen in Afghanistan guys on camels living in the mountains kick the butts of Russia and is doing a good job of slapping down the US. No disrespect for our troops as by design IMO we are not there to win and our enemy is willing to fight and die for what they believe in, the question is are Americans?
These numbers are based on 32% households having firearms and 90% compliance. If only 80% complied the firearm owners would out number military and law enforcement by 2 to 1.
This is just food for thought. Let me know if you see anything I am forgetting.
Thanks
US Data
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My disclaimer: First I do not promote violence or want to see or promote a civil war. The numbers I have found are averages based on several web sites with the most current data I could find.
So lets start with the military and law enforcement:
Average military troops 2,315,958 active and reserve combined.
Average law enforcement 800,000 state, local and federal combined.
Total 3,115,958
So for safety sake lets add 10% to this amount for possible errors. Even though a lot of cities are cutting back on law enforcement personal due to lack of funds. Also remember this is total number but at any one time more than 1/3rd of are troops are stationed overseas.
Total plus 10% equals 3,427,553
So we have 3.5 (rounded up) million military and law enforcement currently serving.
So lets look at gun owners:
They say that 32% to 45% of households currently have firearms. No one knows for sure the real number so we will use 32% just to see how it plays out. So how many households are there in the US?
2010 data shows 132,312,404 households and I feel this is a good number as housing did not grow much in 2011 or 12. So 32% of 132,312,404 equal 42,339,969 homes with firearms. I think this is low but I will go with it.
They say there are 300 million guns in the US (I cannot verify) but by this data that would put 7 guns in each of the 42,339,969 homes. I like numbers so say there are only 200 million and not 300 million like they say that would still put 4 firearms in each of the households.
So let us say that the ban goes through and you need to turn in your firearms. Say that 90 percent comply with this order leaving 10% who become felons. This is still 4,233,996 homes with an average of 4 (lower number 7 is the higher number) firearms each. This still leaves 16,935,984 (at 4 per household) firearms not in the system and 4,233,996 owners who have nothing to lose as they are all ready felons for non compliance. They also say the average household is 2.6 people so there may be mutable members in the household in non compliance meaning more people than households so the number is could be much higher.
So even if all of the 3.5 million law enforcement and military where stationed in the US there would still be 733,996 more gun toting felons than law enforcement and military, and remember not all military and law enforcement will comply as well.
Many of these new non compliant felons are prior military and have training and swore to uphold the Constitution against enemies both foreign and domestic.
Now in just the last year 19.6 million background checks where done and even if you take away 10% for denies it would still leave 17.64 million new purchases and many had bought more than one firearm per background check so in reality this number is also higher.
So would gun owner have a chance, I feel the answer is yes as we have seen in Afghanistan guys on camels living in the mountains kick the butts of Russia and is doing a good job of slapping down the US. No disrespect for our troops as by design IMO we are not there to win and our enemy is willing to fight and die for what they believe in, the question is are Americans?
These numbers are based on 32% households having firearms and 90% compliance. If only 80% complied the firearm owners would out number military and law enforcement by 2 to 1.
This is just food for thought. Let me know if you see anything I am forgetting.
Thanks
US Data
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