Oregon So what are the options if Initiative Petition 43 goes through?

[ARKLITE881South]

I've talked to guys out on the street, and in stores, seen postings here on this site as well that say. "Well i don't have any of those guns, or mags so, i'm not worried about it" Guess what sweet pea, they won't stop at the semi auto's and the large cap mags. Its as plain as the nose on your face. Right now, these items are the hot items, and if you think they won't come after more and more of your weapons, your dreaming.

 

[Diamondback]

What's the old saying about giving a mouse a cookie?

 

[gmerkt]

Using the vote to retain gun rights? That will only work if a majority vote can be expected to muster. If you haven't yet realized it, as a gun owner, you're a minority. And don't expect any affirmative action help on the issue. The majority of the population in the US resides in cities or suburbs, only a small percentage have any exposure to firearms, feel every new gun law seems reasonable. This sounds pessimistic but tell me it isn't true.

My dad used to say, "So this is progress?" Emphasis on the question mark on the end. I've lived in Wash. state for over 30 years, it's changed a great deal in that time. Previously, I lived in southern California and watched that go down the tubes. We used to have nearly the whole Mohave Desert to play in. You could shoot just about anywhere in the open spaces. Now, it's a patchwork quilt of protected areas where shooting, camping and off-roading is severely restricted. Since it's mostly federal land, there are lots of uniforms and badges of multiple agencies patrolling and looking for shooters out of bounds. They will fine you and confiscate your guns if you get caught. Not to mention state and county law enforcement.

When I lived in so. Calif., there used to be certain times of the day when travel around the metro area was still reasonably fast. Off commute times, you could say. Those times no longer exist; the freeways are clogged around the clock.

All of this has come to Wash. state, only later. The no shooting zones in the forest have been moved farther and farther east. The freeway peak traffic hours are longer and longer. When I moved here, immigrants from Russia and the middle east were scarce and west of the Cascades, few from central America. Now there are tons. 30 years ago, there were no plastic tarp homeless tents all over under the freeways and on other public property, and no graffitti such as blighted the LA area. Now, lots of both.

So much of this "progress" has come about from population expansion. People get more crowded up, there are more restrictions, more laws and more sensitivities. These all work against owning and using firearms. This is another big issue that faces gun owners; where to shoot. And, it's a way that the gun-haters use to discourage the use of firearms. Closing off public land, closing down ranges due to a variety of issues, such as off-range impacts, lead pollution concerns, noise abatement, etc. Banning entire classes of arms will definitely have an economic impact on operators of such facilities.

A note of wonder about the mass shooting epidemic. Which is a fairly recent development in terms of frequency. Until recently, the only similar event I can recall was in 1966 when Charles Whitman climbed up the clock tower at the Univ. of Texas in Austin and fired away. In that case, autopsy revealed that Whitman had an undiagnosed brain tumor. Since the rising incidence of random, mass shootings has been a driving factor in the push for more gun control, a central question is why this is happening. What is causing young men who do most (but not all) of the shooting to have such a lack of restraint that they do these things? Things we wouldn't have had the urge to do, say, 30 or 40 years ago. When I was a teenager, guns were easier to get but we wouldn't have thought about using them in a schoolyard shooting.

I'm afraid it's not a pretty picture for those of use who enjoy owning and shooting guns.

 

[mrblond]

what will happen, Nothing I hope. I hope none of us turn our guns in. All you need to do is look at Venezuela to see what happens to a population who gives up their guns to a socialist government. Shoot, you can ask them yourselves. there is a mass of them coming up to the US at the moment.
Just goes to show, you do reap what you sew and as far as these left leaning gun owners, the one who vote for these socialists, they are going to become serfs just like the rest of us to the " elites "

 

[PDXbiker]

Using the vote to retain gun rights? That will only work if a majority vote can be expected to muster. If you haven't yet realized it, as a gun owner, you're a minority. And don't expect any affirmative action help on the issue. The majority of the population in the US resides in cities or suburbs, only a small percentage have any exposure to firearms, feel every new gun law seems reasonable. This sounds pessimistic but tell me it isn't true.
I'm afraid it's not a pretty picture for those of use who enjoy owning and shooting guns.

It is true. Gun owners are a minority and many non gun owners see this as just another gun law to pass and keep us safer. And anyone that doesn't realize the landscape has changed over the last 30 years has their head buried in the sand.

 

[etrain16]

If this gets on the ballot, and if it passes, and if it somehow manages to survive what I believe will be an immediate court challenge and injunction immediately after it passes, the I'll have to choose from a few options. I've already mentioned that I have a trust underway and have the option to move things out of state to a trustee if necessary. I hope it doesn't come to that. I certainly will never turn my personal property over to the government, nor will I render it inoperable. As for registration? Not real hot on that idea because I know where that could lead some day.

That said, you can see that compliance in places like CT and NY, as 2 examples, show non-compliance with those years-old laws at 85%, some say over 90% non-compliance. Are there door-knock raids going on in those states? From what I can find, there aren't. CA is doing door to door raids, but it appears that's only at the homes of convicted criminals. They simply don't have the time, money or manpower to go after average Joe and his AR.

Maybe I'll get back to regularly practicing with my slingshots, just in case they ban everything. They can certainly work for self-defense, even if not ideal, they work, they're easy to make from a wide variety of materials and can even take out small game if needed. Here are 2 targets I shot some years back. Target #1 is at 5 meters, Target #2 is at 8 meters. 11mm steel balls (just over .40cal) were the ammo used. The target circle is the size of a standard CD/DVD. I am fully confident I can put defensive shots on target, every time, out to 10 meters, if necessary. I find it's a good idea to practice with various types/methods of defense, in the event you may find yourself without your preferred

 

[notazombie]

I'll save you guys some storage space in a free state.View attachment 446019

 

[Member 5605]

Request a trial by jury.

I for one would love to sit in a jury box and nullify any potential conviction under a law like this.

Jury nullification is there for a reason.

 

[shooter777]

Military style arms are enumerated in the Constitution, the Dick Act and Heller. Remember to remind our enemies that the Constitution does not grant us our Rights-It merely enumerates them. These Rights go back to the Magna Carta and English Common Law. These infringements are an attempt to break the back of American Individualism.

 

[tallfoo]

I would encourage everyone to read the measure, if you haven't already. It allows you to keep your "assault rifles" if you register them with the state police. I still don't like it, but we should all be informed about what would actually happen if it passed.

 

[Caveman Jim]

What are you seriously going to do? Tell them pry it from your dead fingers. Ya, sure. Bury them. Got a secure spot not in your back yard? Boating accident. Get real. I've got kids in free states that will be getting the inheritance early. They are getting them anyway, and I can always visit to go shooting.

AR owners are in the clear because they do not own "Assault Weapons" and "Large Capacity" magazines.

 

[Caveman Jim]

I would encourage everyone to read the measure, if you haven't already. It allows you to keep your "assault rifles" if you register them with the state police. I still don't like it, but we should all be informed about what would actually happen if it passed.

Bubblegum THAT!!!

 

[brenty]

Lets hold on a second here guys. In my humble opinion I believe this one is a winnable fight. First of all, no matter what I believe will happen or you believe will happen, the constant doom and gloom makes people apathetic. I have been saying this over and over not to offend anyone, but in hope to encourage people not to give up prematurely. There are over 6 months before November. A LOT can happen in that time. I am going to tell you what I personally think, I think the bolsheviks have gone too far. There is a reason everything has been on hyperdrive since trumps election, and even before that. Two weeks ago, averaged polls where showing red 15 points down, now we are only 5 points down. There are Americans in our country, there are Americans in Oregon, we need to be doing everything we can to get them talking and get them educated, and get them voted. I have personally changed over a dozen of peoples minds on this issue in the past week. It can be done. Most people just flat dont understand whats at stake. Lets not give up when the fight is just starting. This is the right thing to do, even if you think its hopeless (it isnt) the right thing to do is to fight tyranny. Come on boys! keep your heads in the game!

 

[The Heretic]

I would encourage everyone to read the measure, if you haven't already. It allows you to keep your "assault rifles" if you register them with the state police. I still don't like it, but we should all be informed about what would actually happen if it passed.

What if I register them in the name of a trust?

 

[etrain16]

What if I register them in the name of a trust?

Interesting question...

 

[DuneHopper]

Registering a AR is the same as saying you are cool if they continued slavery.
Both are unconstitutional, we all know we would not allow one to enslave people, so why would anyone
enslave themselves just because they own a AR. And yes it is the same removing any civil right is the same
they all have the same outcome control of the public.

I am worried reading this thread as even in here we are unsure, and not on the same page.

Maybe NWFA can hire RUSH or LARS to run the political area here so we can get the right information

 

[The Heretic]

The practicality of it, for me at least, is that currently I have nowhere outside the state that I could store the firearms affected by this bill. Also, the main reason I have them is for self-defense of my family, especially if SHTF - having the firearms hundreds of miles away makes them useless to me - even 50 miles away is useless.

Non-compliance opens me to the risk, however slight, of arrest and conviction, with at least my firearms being confiscated and my freedom to own firearms and/or to have them in my residence being lost, and with the very real risk of prison/jail time as a result. Again, this defeats the purpose of having the firearms in the first place and also puts my family at risk in a number of ways.

So yes, however disagreeable and repugnant the act is, I may have to register at least some of those firearms if this initiative passes and I have not found a practical alternative other than non-compliance.

 

[Colts4me]

The practicality of it, for me at least, is that currently I have nowhere outside the state that I could store the firearms affected by this bill. Also, the main reason I have them is for self-defense of my family, especially if SHTF - having the firearms hundreds of miles away makes them useless to me - even 50 miles away is useless.

Non-compliance opens me to the risk, however slight, of arrest and conviction, with at least my firearms being confiscated and my freedom to own firearms and/or to have them in my residence being lost, and with the very real risk of prison/jail time as a result. Again, this defeats the purpose of having the firearms in the first place and also puts my family at risk in a number of ways.

So yes, however disagreeable and repugnant the act is, I may have to register at least some of those firearms if this initiative passes and I have not found a practical alternative other than non-compliance.

no offense really but I dont' think you have been paying attention. Ask Lavoy Finicum how non compliance worked for him. Three shots in the back for having a gun in his pocket and the shooter gets a special law to hide his name. Nobody will ever know who killed you and they will say you had a gun. Good luck with that resist stuff.

 

[oneharmonic]

Two weeks ago, averaged polls where showing red 15 points down, now we are only 5 points down.

This is the primary issue with your argument. Two NRA "A" rated Republican governors in Florida and Vermont just signed gun control bills more restrictive than anything we have in Oregon.

And the only reason they did it was because the guy at the top of the party was on live TV promoting the same gun control laws they ended up passing in their states. Party leadership was supposed to stand firm to reassure everyone down to the state level, but they flip-flopped big time.

 

[Colts4me]

Oregon has a mail in vote, it's not who votes that matters but who counts the votes. Add to that the left owns the judges and you can't win an election.