So muslim who kill people is just workplace violence, but whitey is a terrorist

[Sstrand]

I AM A WHITE MALE . . . I NEVER OWNED A SLAVE . . . I LIKE GUNS . . . I AM UNAPOLOGETIC!!!!!
If you are black, or some other color, if your forefathers were slaves, if you hate guns . . . DEAL WITH IT!!!
IF YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH IT . . . GO TO HADES!!!!!

Sheldon

 

[ZA_Survivalist]

Vitamin D may indeed have something to do with Alzheimers, but they also have studies that show that exercising your mind puts it off for longer too. The brain is like a muscle, if you don't use it you lose it. My job may not give me any physical exercise and keep me indoors 8 hours a day, but it does exercise my brain - which I am fairly proud of; I may have flabby muscles, but I can think through and solve problems better than the average person.

This is very true!
My post wasnt a jab at you though. Hope it didn't come across like that.

 

[Caveman Jim]

Well said and I concur Sstrand, an awesome rendition that even this Caveman can understand!!!

 

[CoastRange57]

I am a 60 year old white male.

I just lost my best worker because someone offered him a better position for 50% more pay at a location much closer to his home working on a better project (I wish I could have gone with him).

Why did you not go with him ?

 

[The Heretic]

This is very true!
My post wasnt a jab at you though. Hope it didn't come across like that.

No - it didn't, and you would have to a LOT farther than that to offend me even in the slightest.

 

[Just Jim]

I AM A WHITE MALE . . . I NEVER OWNED A SLAVE . . . I LIKE GUNS . . . I AM UNAPOLOGETIC!!!!!
If you are black, or some other color, if your forefathers were slaves, if you hate guns . . . DEAL WITH IT!!!
IF YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH IT . . . GO TO HADES!!!!!

Sheldon

I have gone through 62 years and never came down with that Debilitating disease called "white guilt". It's spread by socialist progressives and tends to ruin the brain. Thank god I never hung out with the disease carriers.

 

[The Heretic]

Why did you not go with him ?

1) I didn't get the offer. He went back to his previous employer (contractors can only work for one employer for a set length of time, then they have to work somewhere else for X number of months before they can come back) who made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

2) He is better than I am. More productive, more skilled, even more experienced except in the particular business domain and the project I currently work in. Had he stayed with my employer he could easily have taken my unofficial position in a year or so.

3) I want to finish this project. In the 3+ years I have worked for this employer, this is the first project I worked on for them where I got to direct what what was happening, how it was done, when it was done, and who did what. While that is more responsibility than I wanted, no one else was going to do it, so I jumped in and did it myself.

The downside is that I get no recognition or increased pay for the increased workload or responsibility.

I may leave in a year or so if I find something better, or equivalent that pays better. But right now there is some job security with this employer and the pay is decent enough to not complain about it too much - except that I know that others can make at least 10% more than I do somewhere else. Also, I want something closer to my home to cut my commute time down.

But mostly, I tend to stay where I am at jobwise as long as the job is still there and the work/workplace isn't onerous. There is always that risk when moving to a different position with a new employer that it won't work out. I've had that happen a few times - once twice in a row. So like most people, I stay with what I know and I am comfortable with, and I don't change until something forces me to - or something much better comes along that I can't resist.

A year ago much of the team I work with was thinking of leaving (3 out of 4 people at that time, including myself), and then one of the big reasons for them thinking of leaving, the lead - left himself. That changed the group dynamic a lot. Now we work a lot more collaboratively, more organized, and the team size has doubled.

Then we started this new project about that time and most people in the team are now happy with who they work with, the work they do, and the input they have into the project - or at least they aren't disgruntled anymore.

If that had not happened I probably would be actively seeking a different job.

 

[MikeE]

I AM A WHITE MALE . . . I NEVER OWNED A SLAVE . . . I LIKE GUNS . . . I AM UNAPOLOGETIC!!!!!
If you are black, or some other color, if your forefathers were slaves, if you hate guns . . . DEAL WITH IT!!!
IF YOU CAN'T DEAL WITH IT . . . GO TO HADES!!!!!

Sheldon

I hate to pee in the self-pity party punch bowl. But here is the historical reality. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not biting you in the a--:

 

[Just Jim]

I hate to pee in the self-pity party punch bowl. But here is the historical reality. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it's not biting you in the a--:

Same kind of hustle Gruber did with the healthcare system.

 

[MikeE]

Same kind of hustle Gruber did with the healthcare system.

Not even close. Not even related. But good try...

 

[Just Jim]

Not even close. Not even related. But good try...

He is just another salesman on a stage...

 

[CoastRange57]

I may leave in a year or so if I find something better, or equivalent that pays better. But right now there is some job security with this employer and the pay is decent enough to not complain about it too much - except that I know that others can make at least 10% more than I do somewhere else. Also, I want something closer to my home to cut my commute time down.



A year ago much of the team I work with was thinking of leaving (3 out of 4 people at that time, including myself), and then one of the big reasons for them thinking of leaving, the lead - left himself. That changed the group dynamic a lot. Now we work a lot more collaboratively, more organized, and the team size has doubled.

If that had not happened I probably would be actively seeking a different job.

You are fortunate that you have and have developed skills that are in such high demand. I submit if you were in a different industry where people are as expendable as the toilet paper in the outhouse, that you would be less secure.

A lot of people have life get a bit complicated, and create situations where they cannot excel in their jobs and cannot break the chain. I worked a number of management jobs for a long time. I made those companies a lot of money, and I pissed a lot of their money away with their jaded ideas of what would work. I saw good people discarded for the sake of a 10% pay increase. I scraped by for a lot of years, paying 1/2 my income out in child support and health insurances. I finally got tired of getting jabbed in the arse and went out on my own with two others in a consulting business doing corporate turnarounds in the construction business.

That went by the way side after about 4 years, and I was able to start my own construction business which I took to 1 million in 4 years. The came 2008 and I watched it all go away. After a health issue over a couple years, I worked for a company developing a national product distribution process and a national sales staff and process. My hard work and success was rewarded when one of the owners decided that instead of the 10% of net profits that our contract said I was to get, that he would just cut me out of the deal entirely.

He failed to realize that I held the keys to the database, the contracts for the distribution system and other key components of the product channels. That was 4 years ago and I still get calls from clients trying to undo the issues they have to this day.

I watch my wife struggle with overt and open gender discrimination on a daily basis. I see her bosses do what ever they need to do to maintain their hold on their positions despite their glaring incompetence and non performance. I do contract media services for that same company, and their micro management style in reviewing the work I do and constantly submitting it for reworks, has allowed me to increase my billable hours to them by over 100% of the original contract.

My point is not cracking on you for your ability to hold the trump cards in your career. My point is that there are thousands of people who to work on a daily basis to work for complete fing idiots, and because of the need to keep a paycheck coming it to pay the mortgage, and buy food, and they have to put up with gender discrimination, with age discrimination, and deal with power plays and liars on a daily basis.

 

[The Heretic]

I gave the wrong impression.

I don't hold the trump card - I said I am and my employer make those decisions.

My employer (the corp I ultimately do the work for, not my employer of record - I am a contractor) does actually treat most contractors as expendable and they bring in others to replace them as if they are interchangeable - to their own detriment, and they do pay a bit below the going rate.

They do recognize that myself and another senior colleague are the two team members most knowledgeable and valuable on the team, but if we pushed too far, they would not hesitate to replace us with someone else - and it would be to their detriment as it would set back various projects months, maybe even as much as a year. But they upper management really doesn't care.

This is one reason why we lost our most valuable developer - competition from the market; someone else was willing to pay this person much more than we were. That is my point - the market works in this regard.

OTOH, the pressure is lower, the expected rate of productivity is lower, and the stress is lower. I have mostly worked for startups where the stress was much higher, deadlines were much tighter, and expected quality was much higher - the success of the org depended on it as what I produced was the product they sold.

Where I work now, what I produce is just a tool they use in their sales process, and while it is important, it isn't what they sell, so flaws and missed deadlines are tolerated somewhat.

My point is/was, that even though the process isn't perfect, it is myself and the employer who decide what the exchange rate is for the work I do. Not some third party who has a policy that doesn't reflect meritocracy.

 

[Just Jim]

You are fortunate that you have and have developed skills that are in such high demand. I submit if you were in a different industry where people are as expendable as the toilet paper in the outhouse, that you would be less secure.

A lot of people have life get a bit complicated, and create situations where they cannot excel in their jobs and cannot break the chain. I worked a number of management jobs for a long time. I made those companies a lot of money, and I pissed a lot of their money away with their jaded ideas of what would work. I saw good people discarded for the sake of a 10% pay increase. I scraped by for a lot of years, paying 1/2 my income out in child support and health insurances. I finally got tired of getting jabbed in the arse and went out on my own with two others in a consulting business doing corporate turnarounds in the construction business.

That went by the way side after about 4 years, and I was able to start my own construction business which I took to 1 million in 4 years. The came 2008 and I watched it all go away. After a health issue over a couple years, I worked for a company developing a national product distribution process and a national sales staff and process. My hard work and success was rewarded when one of the owners decided that instead of the 10% of net profits that our contract said I was to get, that he would just cut me out of the deal entirely.

He failed to realize that I held the keys to the database, the contracts for the distribution system and other key components of the product channels. That was 4 years ago and I still get calls from clients trying to undo the issues they have to this day.

I watch my wife struggle with overt and open gender discrimination on a daily basis. I see her bosses do what ever they need to do to maintain their hold on their positions despite their glaring incompetence and non performance. I do contract media services for that same company, and their micro management style in reviewing the work I do and constantly submitting it for reworks, has allowed me to increase my billable hours to them by over 100% of the original contract.

My point is not cracking on you for your ability to hold the trump cards in your career. My point is that there are thousands of people who to work on a daily basis to work for complete fing idiots, and because of the need to keep a paycheck coming it to pay the mortgage, and buy food, and they have to put up with gender discrimination, with age discrimination, and deal with power plays and liars on a daily basis.

What is different between now and 2008? There is dam n little work out there because of this administration. They are worthless culls in the way they run our laws and the economy. Calling terrorism workplace violence shows just how corrupt it's become. The real workplace violence is what they have done to the economy. This is going to take a decade to correct if it doesn't all fall down in the next two years.

 

[CoastRange57]

What is different between now and 2008? There is dam n little work out there because of this administration.

Not a damn thing. If he economy has "recovered", since the Ponzi scheme known as the stock market is now back to pre 08 levels, that we must be fine. If that is the case, then I should be back in the game again, with my business feeding 5 families, and my trucks and equipment rolling over the Northwest. That is not and will not ever happen again.

The government kissed my non income tax payments of over 80K per year goodbye. And the likely hood of it correcting before it tanks worse than 08 is not happening.

 

[The Heretic]

In general, governments do not create jobs and they usually have little immediate impact on the economy.

Politicians like to take credit for jobs and the economy, and they also like to blame opponents for job loss and poor economic conditions.

The public likes to do that too - we all like to point fingers when what we should be doing is looking in the mirror.

The problem in 2008 was the housing bubble - the cause of which was the public buying, debt/credit and savings habits. Another factor was that the public wanted a relaxing of mortgage requirements so more people - many of whom weren't qualified - could buy overpriced homes with less cash down and poor credit histories.

 

[Doc In UPlace]

Good point Coast, and I'll add that the debacle of 2008 did not begin on the current admin's watch; far from it- it sprang from several administrations' selling out to the corporate influence of Wall Street and the Banksters.

St. Reagan led the parade by killing the Unions, Clinton killed Glass-Stiegel protections from the banks turning into speculative casinos with Gramm-Leach Bliley, and Bush did nothing to reign in AIG, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman-Sachs until the whole derivatives scheme fell over. Both so-called "sides" did their part in creating this situation.

We have never been the same since. There is no recovery for anybody below the 90%. Look at the last six years of GNP. Flat as a pancake.

It's long past time to give up on the ideology and see the situation for what it is without the trappings of the dog and pony show "Dems and Repubs". It's the haves and have-nots, that's the actuality.

 

[Just Jim]

Good point Coast, and I'll add that the debacle of 2008 did not begin on the current admin's watch; far from it- it sprang from several administrations' selling out to the corporate influence of Wall Street and the Banksters.

St. Reagan led the parade by killing the Unions, Clinton killed Glass-Stiegel protections from the banks turning into speculative casinos with Gramm-Leach Bliley, and Bush did nothing to reign in AIG, JP Morgan Chase, Goldman-Sachs until the whole derivatives scheme fell over. Both so-called "sides" did their part in creating this situation.

We have never been the same since. There is no recovery for anybody below the 90%. Look at the last six years of GNP. Flat as a pancake.

It's long past time to give up on the ideology and see the situation for what it is without the trappings of the dog and pony show "Dems and Repubs". It's the haves and have-nots, that's the actuality.

I will be dad dam ned I actually agree with you on something, look outside is he ll freezing over? Errr don't let this go to your head

 

[Just Jim]

In general, governments do not create jobs and they usually have little immediate impact on the economy.

Politicians like to take credit for jobs and the economy, and they also like to blame opponents for job loss and poor economic conditions.

The public likes to do that too - we all like to point fingers when what we should be doing is looking in the mirror.

The problem in 2008 was the housing bubble - the cause of which was the public buying, debt/credit and savings habits. Another factor was that the public wanted a relaxing of mortgage requirements so more people - many of whom weren't qualified - could buy overpriced homes with less cash down and poor credit histories.

Ya it seems to be the way of the world today that nobody is to be held accountable, that it's all our faults. We hire people for big money to run our world right, they are failures at this point. Accountability is what this world lacks and that is why it will get worse before it gets better. IMHO.

 

[CoastRange57]

The problem in 2008 was the housing bubble - the cause of which was the public buying, debt/credit and savings habits. Another factor was that the public wanted a relaxing of mortgage requirements so more people - many of whom weren't qualified - could buy overpriced homes with less cash down and poor credit histories.

There is still a lot of residual effect from those wreckless behaviors. My son buys lower end houses, does a rehab on them, rents them out, then refinances them to about 60% of value and goes on to the next project. I bird dog properties for him, and do some of the work and do the initial dealings with the owners. We looked at one and it seemed worth a look. This was a ROUGH HOUSE. It was going to take 25K in cash to get it rentable for $ 1,200 a month.

He went to make the deal with the lady who had inherited the house, and ran the standard 20% below realtors price, with 10K down, (87K)and she had to hold the note for 9 months, then he would cash her out of it. Pretty much assumed it was going to be a done deal, the last 3 had went quite well. She said, well there is a mortgage on this property.

My son and I exchanged a quick glance, picked our jaws up and asked her how much the mortgage was. She really did not know, but thought it was close to 70K. This is a POS house that most people said give it to the fire department to burn it down for training. This then explained the 35 foot diesel pusher and glittzy bass boat sitting there for sale too.

She wanted cashed out at 95K. My son said thank you for your time, and we turned around and waled away, only having lost about 3 hours of our time. There are about 4 other properties on this list, so we will see where it goes.

Most people have no idea how crooked, how corrupt, how completely FU this market still is.