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So I got this rifle..

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by STUKA, Oct 31, 2015.

  1. STUKA

    STUKA Close to Milwaukie Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Got,as in, "bought"..I DO speak English..

    As I was told,it's a Spencer "Buffalo" rifle..anyone know about them?

    I know the history of the Spencer,just not the "Buffalo" part.Obviously it's a hunting conversion,but I need to know more about the conversion.
    I am going to sell this thing,so any ideas about value would help too.

    It's marked "Spencer repeating rifle co,Boston,Mass ,Pat'd March 6,1860"
    The number on the left rear of the receiver is "754". The barrel is also marked "754" under the foregrip.
    When the lever is down,there are 3 stamps on the right side,all are "472".

    The barrel is octagon,no stampings or caliber marking.Good,deep rifling but has some surface rust.(I'm going to give the whole thing a good cleaning)

    Barrel has a provision for a cleaning rod.Has a dovetail at the rear of barrel which looks to have been for a sight.The previous owner says it had a scope.

    Receiver has 2 threaded holes at top rear.I assume for a flip up sight,similar to a Marbles or something.

    Wood is in decent shape,the buttstock seems to be customized.

    Front band has some initials or rudimentary graffiti,and looks to be made of soft metal,possibly lead?

    Magazine tube and internals are all there.

    Rifle seems to function well,and I'm guessing it'll clean up real purty.

    Thoughts,opinions,or offers are truly appreciated!

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  2. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Sorry,no help, but that's a cool rifle!
     
  3. timac

    timac Loading Magazines! Well-Known Member

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    It looks like a factory conversion done by Spencer, as I don't see a gunsmith stamping. Spencer made a sporting rifle for buffalo hunters heading west, as no rifle was readily available. The rifle lost favor, as Sharps and Remington produced rifles specifically for buffalo hunters
    H. Shroeder, Bachner Bros and J. Harder & Son were just few of the notable gunsmiths to do this conversion for those heading west. These examples get a good price at auction, Spencer factory conversion does too, just not as much. Again condition is everything
     
  4. Mikej

    Mikej Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    You don't say where you are? Not in PDX anyway. My best suggestion would be to find a show with the OAC (Oregon Arms Collectors). There will be people there that will collect these specific old rifles. If you'd like I could call an old timer I've dealt with that may be able to get me a name. I would say don't just go into you're local gun shop and put it on consignment, just yet. I did that with a couple 19th century rifles, and after the fact feel I could have done better.

    Shoot me a PM if you'd like.
     
  5. STUKA

    STUKA Close to Milwaukie Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Thanks guys!
    The factory conversion notion makes a lot of sense to me,as I found it weird that the receiver and barrel numbers matched,on a military rifle with an "aftermarket" barrel.
     
  6. Velzey

    Velzey Estacada, Oregon Gunsmith Gunsmith Bronze Vendor Bronze Supporter

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    Whoa what a find! First off I realize it looks like it needs cleaning, but please do not do anything to this rare rifle! You take steel wool to that rifle and you can knock $1800 off of it in 10 minutes!

    PM inbound
     
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  7. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Buttstock is NOT customized, that's a model 2 magazine tube.
    Nose cap may be Pewter, not an original fixture.
    Very few Spencers were sold commercially.
     
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  8. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    DO NOT CLEAN IT!!!!!

    BUYERS WANT TO SEE THE ORIGINAL GUN, NOT A SPARKLING NEW-LOOKING PIECE.

    tac
     
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  9. Velzey

    Velzey Estacada, Oregon Gunsmith Gunsmith Bronze Vendor Bronze Supporter

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    Yah tac we covered that last week :)
     
  10. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    Reinforcement of instruction = compliance.

    tac
     
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  11. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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  12. tac

    tac UK, Oregon and Ontario. Well-Known Member

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    That is just beautiful.

    tac
     
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  13. STUKA

    STUKA Close to Milwaukie Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Thanks for all the input,Guys.. It's on it's way to a very serious (and rich?) collector!
     
  14. AndyinEverson

    AndyinEverson Everson, Wa. Well-Known Member

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    Sure would have neat to see your rifle STUKA.
    Lots of gunsmiths on the American frontier made sporters from Spencer rifles , carbine and using the actions.
    Gemmer , the last owner of the famed Hawken Shop made them in Denver during the 1860's and 70's
    Andy
     
  15. STUKA

    STUKA Close to Milwaukie Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    It was kinda cool,but not as cool as the stuff I bought with the proceeds;)
    Thanks again for the replies,Guys
     
  16. Velzey

    Velzey Estacada, Oregon Gunsmith Gunsmith Bronze Vendor Bronze Supporter

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    Let me guess. You bought something black?
    :s0111:
     
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  17. STUKA

    STUKA Close to Milwaukie Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    Uh,a very loud and very clear NO.
    May I ask why you would make such an assumption?
    I do not own a "black" rifle,at this time
     
  18. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Did you get some brandy new Dremel grinding wheels?
    lol
     
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  19. STUKA

    STUKA Close to Milwaukie Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    ^
    ?
    WTF?
    Anyway, I sold something I DIDN'T want,to someone who DID want it,in order to purchase things I wanted..Make sense?
    FYI,M1 Garand,2 16th century Japanese swords,and a quantity of ammunition for my other NON BLACK firearms.
    Is that OK,or?
     
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  20. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Indeed. It was but a simple joke.
    You did good.