Oregon Slide rack = disorderly conduct in PDX

Nick Burkhardt · Sep 28, 2019

Apparently making sure that you have one in the chamber with a CHL is enough to catch a disorderly conduct charge in downtown PDX

Suspect arrested after flashing loaded gun in Old Town

A man was seen pulling out a handgun near Northwest 3rd Avenue and Couch Street before police arrested him early Saturday morning.

www.koin.com

It is not like he even pointed the pistol at anyone

Alexx1401 · Sep 28, 2019

Well given where this took place who knows if we are getting anything close to the real story here. If it did happen like this, and the guy does have a Permit, you would think he would know better. Why are you pulling out a gun, in public, to rack a round into it? Assuming again this is the whole story in many places this would most likely not lead to an arrest. It would almost certainly lead to an uncomfortable interaction with uncomfortable Cops. If you are a Cop and get a call like this, man pulled gun out of his pocket, racked it and put it back, how are you going to feel when you spot the "suspect" ? So again, was the pistol not loaded? If so why would he feel the need to pull it out in a public place and rack it? Again the big IF, this is really what happened I have to guess the guy is either not real bright, was showing off, maybe both.

No_Regerts · Sep 28, 2019

I'd give a round to make sure he can +1 and not worry about it.

Flymph · Sep 28, 2019

Umm... yeah... you're an idiot if you think it's cool to pull a gun out in public to rack the slide and think somebody isn't going to be worried about it.
Point is to keep it private and concealed, if you can't recall there is one in the chamber you probably shouldn't be carrying.
Like if he was on the squatter I'd be more forgiving.

E4mafia · Sep 28, 2019

Considering current affairs maybe something to consider even if you don't agree.

Even if no harm no foul was done, pulling in public and checking your gear might not be a wise move do to unease of mass shootings and public fear.
This is why before you venture out of your home for the day you should be checking your equipment if you carry or at least do it some place non suspect in broad daylight.

Case in point. I went to oregon rifle works a few years ago to have some trijicon HD's put on a G19. The clerk asked me to clear my weapon out front the store. Looking thru the doors I could see a bus stop across the way with 5 people waiting. I just ran a scenario thru my head (considering mass shooters were gaining traction by then) would I have walked out and safety checked and cleared my weapon from a gun shop the on-lookers may have done the same course and called for police.

Stop and think about what you are doing and where. Have situational awareness!

bbbass · Sep 28, 2019

Flymph said:
if you can't recall there is one in the chamber you probably shouldn't be carrying.
Like if he was ~~on the~~ a squatter I'd be more forgiving.

Dude, that's harsh!! Fixed it for ya...

bbbass · Sep 28, 2019

Situational awareness: One of the telltale signs of a person carrying is them adjusting the weapon constantly, or touching/feeling/fondling it for reassurance. If you are a gas/deli clerk especially, or approached by someone at any location, watch out for that kind of behavior!!!

The Heretic · Sep 28, 2019

Not sure if that qualifies as "brandishing" or not. Kind of a grey area. Certainly stupid doing it where someone can see you doing it, especially in today's fear of guns environment.

LEOs probably charged him to get him off the street just in case, and let the DA/etc. handle it - i.e., CYA and let him be someone else's problem.

Nick Burkhardt · Sep 28, 2019

A few years ago my wife and I had to drive her father (who medically cannot drive) to Portland for business in a gun free zone so I had unloaded and placed my carry pistol in the car safe after parking. When he was done I wanted to leave downtown as quickly as possible, but he insisted on a stop at VooDoo Donuts so he could bring some of their novelty fried crud home. I found parking about a block away (close to where the above story took place) and my wife was saying"Where's your gun? Where's your gun? Put your gun on. Hurry hurry." So I have to climb in the back, unlock the safe, grab a spare mag, rack a round in, replace spare mag with a full carry mag, place mag in holster, try an slip everything in my pants, loosen belt, try again, climb out of the car, adjust carry and tighten belt. By this time her dad had already wandered down the block the wrong way.

cigars · Sep 28, 2019

Not a case for gun control, just birth control.

GWS · Sep 28, 2019

The guy pulled the gun out in public, while presumably not fearing for his life. I think that would get a brandishing beef anywhere.

Kruel J · Sep 28, 2019

I don't feel sorry for this dude at all. Not all gun owners are responsible or represent us well.

CRBMoA · Sep 28, 2019

If you are going to be stupid, it helps to be cute or charismatic.

The Heretic · Sep 28, 2019

GWS said:
The guy pulled the gun out in public, while presumably not fearing for his life. I think that would get a brandishing beef anywhere.

Making a gun visible in public is not brandishing. Not particularly smart in some situations, but not brandishing.

awshoot · Sep 28, 2019

The Heretic said:
Making a gun visible in public is not brandishing. Not particularly smart in some situations, but not brandishing.

I agree -- brandishing implies use in a threatening manner. If merely having a gun visible was brandishing, nobody could open carry.

I also think he was nuts to pull out his gun and rack in the middle of a place like Portland. That does absolutely nothing positive for the image of people who concealed carry. He deserves a swift kick in the pants for the PR damage.

I don't however think this should be a big deal legally for him. I would think the embarrassment and expense getting out from under this is enough punishment, providing he gets himself some remedial training.

DB is Here · Sep 28, 2019

Time & place...folks.

Eveskcige28 · Sep 28, 2019

Nick Burkhardt said:
A few years ago my wife and I had to drive her father (who medically cannot drive) to Portland for business in a gun free zone so I had unloaded and placed my carry pistol in the car safe after parking. When he was done I wanted to leave downtown as quickly as possible, but he insisted on a stop at VooDoo Donuts so he could bring some of their novelty fried crud home. I found parking about a block away (close to where the above story took place) and my wife was saying"Where's your gun? Where's your gun? Put your gun on. Hurry hurry." So I have to climb in the back, unlock the safe, grab a spare mag, rack a round in, replace spare mag with a full carry mag, place mag in holster, try an slip everything in my pants, loosen belt, try again, climb out of the car, adjust carry and tighten belt. By this time her dad had already wandered down the block the wrong way.

I've been in situations like this. It's always awkward...

gunnoob75 · Sep 28, 2019

Holy crap. Who cares? The person did nothing wrong. You guys can hide in the closet if you want to but when you get to the facts; no law broken, no threatening gestures made, no harm done. -No justification for law enforcement contact-

Stop turning your back on gun owners just because you're better than them. Stop.

Keepmsharp · Sep 28, 2019

Guy did nothing illegal. Who cares if it hurts some people's feeling. The 2nd overrides feelings. The cops should be charged with kidnapping a innocent man at gunpoint, and at the very least be put in training for not knowing the law they are supposed to uphold.