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Silencers: How & Where to Purchase?

Discussion in 'Handgun Discussion' started by planex, Jun 3, 2012.

  1. planex

    planex Midwest New Member

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    Hey everyone, this is my first post so play nice. I found my way here via Google while searching for information on handgun silencers. I hope I'm posting this in the right place. If I'm reading things correctly, NWFA is based somewhere in WA. Long story short, I'm moving to the greater Seattle area soon and as a present to myself I'm planning to purchase a new handgun and my very first silencer. I've heard some talk about class 3 dealers, but nothing that I have read has been very specific and I want to know as much as I can before doing business with anyone. I'm interested in everything from how to choose the right silencer, to choosing the right dealer, and finding a legal method of purchase/delivery. If anyone could fill me in or point me in the right direction for self-education I'd be quite grateful. Thanks for your time!

    P.S. I assume most ranges will allow you to shoot with a silencer. If I'm wrong, please fill me in.
     
  2. Ought Six

    Ought Six Snoqualmie Valley area Active Member

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    The 'NFA Weapons' forum deals specifically with items covered under the National Firearms Act, including suppressors (the correct name for a 'silencer'). What, how and where you can or cannot buy depends upon what state you are in. A number of states ban the possession of suppressors. Others have varying requirements. In any state that allows suppressors, you will have to comply with federal law, which requires you to undergo a background check and pay a $200 tax stamp fee in order to make the purchase. If you are allowed to purchase a suppressor in your state, expect to have to wait a couple months or more for the feds to complete the paperwork. You will not be allowed to take home your suppressor until that process is completed.
     
  3. planex

    planex Midwest New Member

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    Ok, good start. Where/how do I begin that process? As I said, I will be in WASHINGTON when I make my purchase. Am I on the right track looking for a class 3 dealer?
     
  4. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    Most larger gun stores in the Seattle area now sell suppressors. West Coast Armory is a good choice if you are in the Seattle area.

    You turn up to the store, select and pay for the silencer - then submit the ATF paperwork for approval before you can actually take possession of it. ATF processing time for suppressors is currently around six months. :(
     
  5. planex

    planex Midwest New Member

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    Ok, I didn't think they would have them at the ready like that. Thought it would have to be a custom job. Will I have to modify my handgun's muzzle/barrel to fit?
     
  6. james2562

    james2562 Kent Member

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    In Washington state you do not need a background check, the sheriff's approval, or fingerprints. The below website presents an alternative method.

    Why A Gun Trust? | NW Gun Law Group


     
  7. james2562

    james2562 Kent Member

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    I am in the process of obtaining a suppressor for my 308. I spent a lot of time on google searching for reviews and comments. Youtube also has a lot of videos with audio that will be able to give you an idea regarding sound suppression. In the end it kind of seemed like a crap shoot.

    The technical issue I would encourage you to keep in mind is that their are two components that make sound: the bullet exceeding the speed of sounds and the gasses leaving the barrel. Also keep in mind that a suppressor does not just change the amplitude of the sound (decibels) it also changes the tone of the sound. It is difficult to determine what suppressor is best because there is no quantifiable way to express the tone. for example: one suppressor may sound like a loud waterfall and another sounds like aloud jet engine. They can but have the same amplitude (decibel) but they are very different.

    I choose an elite iron suppressor. I cant tell you whether it was a good choice yet because It has not arrived.

    In selecting a class 3 dealer I choose one that supported this board. It will be a bit of a drive for me to go down and pick it up but that is a small price for me to pay for supporting this board and doing business with someone i have confidence in. the dealer I am using is Crossroad Arms. So far I have been very happy with Joe's adaptability.

    Regarding the selection of the pistol just about any one can be threaded. Their are plenty of discussions on here over which piece is the best. I will not rehash the topic. I will say that if I were to want a suppressed pistol it would be a 45 cal. supersonic ammo with a suppressor defeats the purpose of a suppressor, IMHO. A 45 is a big slow caliber and many rounds are subsonic. you can attach a suppressor and not loose stopping power.
     
  8. PDXSparky

    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    What gun are you looking to buy/suppress? Whatever you get, it will have to have a treaded barrel. Some guns can be bought that way, others need to have the barrel replaced or threaded by a gunsmith.

    There are more than a couple of suppressor manufacturers. I'm wanting a 22 suppressor for my Browning Buckmark, Smith & Wesson M&P22, and maybe 1 of my 10/22s. I'm leaning towards Silencerco's Sparrow.
     
  9. SonicBlue03

    SonicBlue03 Snohomish Well-Known Member

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    Go to Cascade Arsenal and email the site owner (chip@cascadearsenal.com) <- he can walk you through the entire process of trust, suppressor purchase, wait period, etc.

    I've purchased four through Chip and he makes it seamless.
     
  10. planex

    planex Midwest New Member

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    I intend to purchase a Beretta 92FS (although I admit to having done little research on the effectiveness of suppression for this particular pistol).

    I would like to thank all of you who have posted. I am reading the material bit by bit when I get free time and I am following through with all of your suggestions. Keep it coming!
     
  11. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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  13. planex

    planex Midwest New Member

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  14. Burt Gummer

    Burt Gummer Portland Completely Out of Ammo

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    For the threading, you just send your barrel to Tornado or someone of your choice. There will be Silencerco and AAC dealers in the Seattle area also.

    I've done business with all three, but the first two take months thanks to all the wait on the dealer to get the item, meeting/getting the forms together to submit to the ATF, then waiting on the ATF, then once again hoping the dealer will call promptly when the form 4 comes back to them. A process you will need to have patience with if you really want a suppressor.
     
  15. planex

    planex Midwest New Member

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    Yeah, so what's with this Gun Trust thing that people are suggesting in order to avoid ATF paperwork? It doesn't sound like you bought into it.

    And by "the first two" you mean Silencerco and AAC, right?
     
  16. Bill Siegle

    Bill Siegle Oregon Active Member

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    One thing I would add to a suppressor buy is go to a dealer who will let you test fire the one(s) you are looking at. Think of the can as an investment and buy the best you can so you arent disappointed later. Also keep in mind, many times a larger caliber can will work for smaller calibers too so you may want to buy a 45 can and use it on 9MM and 40S&W or a 30 cal can for .223. Just some thoughts I wish I had known before I bought my first can :)
     
  17. planex

    planex Midwest New Member

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    Yeah, in my experience it can be tough to talk dealers into allowing the product to be test fired, but I guess if they won't do it I'll just take my business elsewhere. Thanks for the reinforcement!
     
  18. Ought Six

    Ought Six Snoqualmie Valley area Active Member

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    Yes, when I got my Gemtec Outback II suppressor at Discount Guns, they set up a trust for me on the spot when I made the purchase.
     
  19. Ought Six

    Ought Six Snoqualmie Valley area Active Member

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    For my Buckmark, I got a Tactical Solutions 4" Trail Lite threaded barrel. I am extremely happy with it.
     
  20. Ought Six

    Ought Six Snoqualmie Valley area Active Member

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    Just to clarify.... A trust in no way avoids ATF paperwork, the background check or the $200 tax stamp fee. It only gets rid of the necessity for fingerprints, a photo and a signoff by the local Sheriff.