Discussion in 'Handgun Discussion' started by titsonritz, May 7, 2011.
Over and out.
Watch out for them Swiss elite units... They'll remain... Neutral.
Think sig is sad?
Steyr had submitted 3 different pistols into the Austrian military trials. They've had a long history of weapons manufacturing and were expected to win the contract. There was one entry from a plastic molding injection company that made shower curtain rings. The plastic molding injection company named Glock won the trials. Steyr lost to a company who made shower curtain rings in their own country.
Does this mean we'll be seeing a buying opportunity for use Sigs sometime in the near future?
Cost cutting is hitting even the armed forces in these hard economic times.
Funny - when I read the title, I thought "wow, Swiss Army Knives are partnering with Glock somehow? Will they make a gun with a built-in corkscrew?"
(Cheap shot warning)
Or maybe they were just going to make knives that exploded.
I love Glocks and all but is there any truth in that Glock pretty much gives them away to military/PDs at very low costs to win these contracts? I don't blame them for doing it but is that really a big factor in Glocks being picked over and over?
I figured this thread would go this way :laugh:
I can't think of one bad thing to say about any of the Glock's I've owned, they've all been fantastic. I think people are just upset that Glock makes a gun that can outperform guns for which they paid several hundreds more :thumbup:
Glock makes an excellent weapon that meets all the minimum requirements placed upon a duty weapon by most agencies. Do they make the best gun that gets tested? Usually not. I personally have been involved in a few different trials. Glock never once finished first in overall tests, but they did always finish very high in every test. The guns that beat them usually cost nearly twice as much. When making a decision with a budget you often take the second place finisher if they can do the job for less. It is just how government contracting works.
PS: And, yes, Glock does heavily discount their guns for most agencies and even offers amazing trade in deals. The PR is worth the loss of profit.
How much field evaluation does the Swiss Army do? Sitting in a ski lodge while watching pretty girls and sipping hot cocoa isn't exactly very taxing on any firearm.
I could use a knife like that - sometimes, those wine corks just don't want to come out of the bottle.
Swiss Pike Square:
Glock can afford to sell their products for extremely low prices to PD and Military because the volume is so huge. Plus it's a huge PR deal. Look at how the name Glock has almost become synonymous with any semi-auto pistol outside of gun folks.
It is probably true that Glock undercuts the competition in pricing. However, it is also true that Glock pistols perform very well on grueling trials.
In the ATF trials last year, Sig was eliminated on the first round, due to too many failures. Glocks and the S&W M&Ps had zero failures in the first round. On the succeeding rounds, Glocks had less than half the failures of the S&W. Here is a GAO document on the result:
U.S. GAO - B-402339.3, Sig Sauer, Inc., July 23, 2010
Both Glock and S&W eventually won the ATF contract, with Glock being "favored" (whatever that means).
So, this Swiss trials won't be the first time that Glock wins over the Sig. And I'm pretty sure that it is more than just because Glocks are less expensive.
People hate Glocks like they hate AK's and toyota's.
There is always an internal paradigm shift in folks who over spend on 'traditional' elite brands when their favored pistol is beaten and embarrassed by a very effective and less expensive pistol that's ugly as sin.
I have read that Sig plastic guns are not as good as their metal ones. I have a 220 and have had no issues with it whatsoever.
IMHO, nothing is as good as SIG's metal guns...so you are right.
To be fair, SIG actually filed a complaint regarding these tests. The tests showed the SIG having many failures but most of them being "user attributed" which were later rumored to be related to removing and reloading magazines. SIG did then redesign the mags and the frame.
I am a fan of the FN handguns. I will admit that I have not tried the S&W M&P, but my FNP-40 and FNP-45 are both stellar handguns even though they do sport a plastic bottom. I guess next trip to the range I should rent one of their S&W so that I can compare.
Had one, just didn't point naturally. the grip angle was wrong for me, maybe the newer ones with interchangeable grip inserts would work? I don't know, and I might never find out.
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