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Discussion in 'Preparedness & Survival' started by donovan, Dec 1, 2010.

  1. donovan

    donovan Eugene, OR Member

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    seldom do I re post things from other blogs but after reading this i had to, good info on what is soon to come and how to not only identify it but how to prepare for it. BTW I found this on survivalblog.com

    Letter Re: A Veteran Policeman's Observations on The Golden Horde
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    James,
    A lot has been written warning us of what will happen when the City Dwellers find their homes are untenable and vacate [en masse as The Golden Horde] for "the country", but I haven't seen anything on what the make-up of these hordes will be. The generic term "city dwellers" encompasses a lot of territory. Who will they be,what kind of shape will they be in, how will they be armed...all of these need to be examined.

    One category needs to be examined, I feel, more closely than others. Since I have seen posts on your site lately dealing with the nitty-gritty, unpleasant aspects of prepping, I think this is a needed look into what's out there. I've been a cop over 20 years, my last uniform assignment before moving to Investigator being a two year stretch of Anti-Crime patrols in the Section 8 Housing projects of my city. This put me into contact with some of the "Worst of the Worst" that will be fleeing the cities in time of trouble. Gang-bangers, common street thugs, dope dealers and users, all have a place in the hierarchy of the streets. And they will certainly be part of what preppers will be facing in times of troubles. Here's some of what I have learned:

    The bottom rung is occupied by the drug addicts and users. They exist, not live as we understand the word. They have no assets, no goals, no drive. But they do have an almost animal instinct to continue living. They will be armed with anything they can steal or lay hands on. Most will have a knife of razor box cutter, and some sort of cheap pistol, or they will not live to get out of the city. Since they have no resources or assets, they will be on the edge of starvation and desperation almost within a day of an event. With no fixed residence or place to defend, they will be hitting the road and coming towards us. They will become violent without any provocation and there will be no negotiating or bargaining with them. They don't want to hear your story or excuses. All they want is what you have. And have no doubts: They will do anything to get what they want. And this does include catering to their most base instincts of rape, murder and mutilation. Letting someone like this even close to you and what you have is flirting with death.

    The next and most numerous will be the drones who make up the majority of the project dwellers. They live on Government Entitlement checks, have no assets and, on any given day will have no more than 3 or 4 days supply of food in their apartments,most of this being refrigerated. There will be a high percentage of females without male companions,will have a large number of children and will be absolutely vicious and violently inclined. Their day to day existence within the defined society they live in demands they be aggressive and violent.They fight more, and are arrested more,than the males they live around. The males will have more serious charges, but the females will have more of them. They too cannot be trusted. If they are drug users, they will, and have, traded their children for drugs, and, based on this proven behavior, will most certainly abandon them or trade them if the situation calls for it. Seeing that you are supplied, they will leave their children in your yard and walk away, counting on your liberal Good Samaritan instinct that has always bailed them out in the past to care for their offspring and justify that to themselves as "doing what they have to do". Knowing that they will do something as low as this,be assured they will do much worse. They habitually carry razor knives and small pistols such as .25 ACPs and .380 ACPs. They are very dangerous and unstable folks to be around. These females may or may not be accompanied by men. The males may be linked biologically to one or more of the children but will abandon them as easily as the females. These males come from the lower order of males (see next classification) and will be armed as described next.

    The next order of classification will be unattached or drone males. These males tend to be convicted of felonies before they are 21 and who hang around the other, more productive males who deal drugs and have money. They will also be the so-called "foot soldiers" of the drug and street gangs. They exhibit sociopathic behavior and have no allegiance to anyone except maybe a family member, usually referred to as a "cousin" or a gang. They live off the female drones by paying cash rent, gained by low level drug dealing and petty crimes, to a female who has Section 8 housing, for a room that they sleep in and usually have no other attachment such as taking meals there.They live off fast food,carry guns of dubious origin and consume massive amounts of drugs and alcohol, mostly beer and cheap brandy and marijuana. They will not have any assets to defend, may accompany the female who rents them a room and will hang around the cities and projects only as long as their cohorts do. They will leave in junky vehicles,steal what they need along the way and kill,rob,rape and pillage their way across the countryside. Their weapons tend to be of the pistol variety although they may have access to shortened, easily concealable shotguns or rifles. Their lifestyle doesn't give them a secure place to hide or keep long guns,but they will steal and use them if given a chance. They will also have some type of blade weapon and be proficient with the use of them. They are very dangerous to anyone who comes into contact with them. The last and highest order will be the moneyed drug dealer.He will have a flashy vehicle such as an Escalade or Lexus variety. He will have quality firearms, preferring Glock handguns and SKS or AK type rifles and will have ammunition for them in quanity.He will be arrogant and a definite killer. He will have assets to defend and may not leave his comfort zone until forced by authorities or circumstances. He will have "foot soldiers" and a woman traveling with him, but probably not children. He will travel well and be charming when trying to gain confidence or talk himself out of a jam. He will also be vicious and hateful, full of spite at those he sees as having taken away his lifestyle and means of making a living. He most probably will not have a lot in the way of supplies such as food and medical equipment, tending to live in the moment and not for the future. He will be one of the opportunistic "I'll just take what I need" types. He will be very cunning, having risen to the top of the street hierarchy,and all the more dangerous because of this.

    When dealing with all of the above types, caution is the word. Never let them get even a glimpse of what you have. Never let them get past your outer barrier, be that a fence, abatis or boundary line. Its best to keep verbal contact to the barest minimum. A terse: "We have nothing, go away or we will shoot" is a good example. I have seen them be charming and seemingly harmless while edging into a fence gate or otherwise getting closer until they are in range to strike. You must always remember the 20 foot rule (Never let anyone get closer than 20 feet from you at any time). It is important to remember also that the longer they have been roaming and stealing,the better armed they may be, having stolen others firearms and equipment. Seeing an obvious street thug carrying an expensive scoped rifle or an engraved shotgun should be a tip off as to what they are. These type people would never spend money on a gun that may be taken by the law at anytime in their day to day existence. They do worship Glocks and the glamour they see in them. A dealer told me once, when confessing to an assault "I just outs with my Glock .40 and let it holla" as if he had done something great.

    I know that most people who read your blogs are aware enough to keep strangers away from their refuge.But if someone has never lived around these types of people,they may not be aware of just how dangerous they really are. As I mentioned,they can be charming,cunning and decietful.They have lived their entire lives off the goodwill of others and The Government and are past masters at pretending to be needy,harmless and "safe". Guile is engrained in them. I leave you with one short story. In the days after Hurricane Katrina, we were reinforced with officers from other agencies, many states away, who had volunteered to help. (I was not in New Orleans, but on the edge of the hurricane strike) I was partnered with a state SWAT officer from up North. This man was experienced and a "steady hand". As we walked through some of the power blacked-out , sweltering-in-the-heat projects, he turned to me and said: "This is worse than Mogadishu". He was scared and had good reason to be. And this was after only three days of no electricity and relief was just starting to arrive. Think about those same areas after a real failure of services and food deliveries. Good Luck. Beware the Stobor. - Ed S.
     
  2. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Fellow is just informing of what the lowlifes will be like when the food runs out. Food runs out and your neighbors will be on the streets too.

    jj
     
  3. Riot

    Riot Benton County, Washington Well-Known Member

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    I think this is a little off...although I agree with it, he doesn't realize what most preppers do.

    Criminals are opportunists and never think long term (ask any incarcerated 19 year old with a 20 year sentence). Sure, they might think about running up to the hills to look for you, but what scares me the most is actually you guys. People on this forum, people I work with...people that know I am a prepper and have supplies, not some random thug or "city dweller".

    First, they'll hit the streets...taking TVs, radios and smashing crap. Then comes to the "I awlays wanted to do that" part- like burning down the police station or robbing the car dealer for that lexus. This stuff will take days...we will see this start and mount out to the hills. After which, when these guys get tired, hungry and desperate, then (and only then) will they go door to door. They will mount up looking for food and supplies...anyone that stayed put will have a fight on their hands for their supplies. Sure, at first, they will more on to easier targets. But then, later (maybe a few weeks have gone by) they know you are still sitting pretty in your house. They can hear your generator, smell your food and even see your lights on. If you're smart, you'll mount up and move out before they attack. But where will you go? To the hills? Canada? Well you know people like me are in the hills....with gear and supplies. You're half-ready, but you lost some gear leaving your house too late, got hit at some raider checkpoint or had to shoot your way out of a situation. So now, you're just a desperate as the raiders you are running from.

    What do you do? You band together with other friends and become raiders yourself. After all, you don't know how to make a shelter, get food from the land or make a bow or spear out of wood, sinew and stone...so what options do you have?

    THOSE are the people I'm afraid of...the people with all the guns, ammo and gold but no real plan for when SHTF. All the people that plan on taking me out to get my stuff....those are the people I'm afraid of, not some junky crashing because he doesn't have his fix or some "thug" that decided to spend all his supplies and use all his weapons against his enemy rather than using it constructively to find me and take my stuff.

    Negative....it is the "other guy" I'm afraid of. The one that is going to try to follow me to my retreat, meet me at my house with his hand out begging to take him along or putting a gun to my face while I'm loading my car.
     
  4. donovan

    donovan Eugene, OR Member

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    interesting spin on this riot. I guess that is why when we make our "bug out plans" we dont disclose all the details.
     
  5. Just Jim

    Just Jim Well-Known Member

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    Just a point of view:D:D 3minutes without air, 3 days without water and 3 weeks without food and joe average is dead. Add to that violence and disease from bad water and the general population would die off rather quickly. Then from those rotting bodies will come more disease like cholera to thin out what had survived the violence.

    This is worst case of course. Food will get you through most of it if you have a good spot to defend. No matter how well you train and prepare you still may lose.

    jj
     
  6. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    Pack away some makeup too, including for Dad. Pale white skin and deep bags under the eyes (along with tattered clothing) says "I've got nothing" better than any words can. Rosy cheeks and a healthy glow will make you stand out in a horde of hunger people.

    Keith
     
  7. Sun195

    Sun195 Pugetropolis, WA Well-Known Member

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    I thought maybe you were going for the zombie look...