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Should Oregon carry out death penalties?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by tiggers97, Apr 26, 2014.

  1. tiggers97

    tiggers97 United States Well-Known Member

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    Poll at the Oregonian for an article about whether Oregon should carry out death penalties or not. Personally I think it is an excellent deterrent and reminder to criminals and gang bangers to NOT do certain things like shooting and killing people and such.

    http://tinyurl.com/loxrghp
     
  2. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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  3. deadeye

    deadeye Albany,OR. Moderator Staff Member

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    It is only a deterrent if it is carried out. With the current and previous Governor (ying/yang) refusing to carry out the law that the citizens of Oregon voted in. the only thing the criminal will receive is a lengthy stay at the Oregon State Penitentiary Spa.
     
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  4. Benny503

    Benny503 Grants Pass Well-Known Member

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    No- i dont believe in death penalty. Cut them apart and sell their body parts to the riches that need kidneys and lungs balls whatever and use that money to pay back to the victims family.
     
  5. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    Statistically I believe it is NOT a deterrent to crime - but it sure prevents second time offenders. My answer though would be yes to carrying it out but ONLY if it could be done quickly and inexpensively without all the Pomp and Circumstance of a typical execution. However I have often thought of an alternative plan. "Warehouse' those on Death Row in incredibly small cells with no windows or contact with others. Basically existence at the most minimal level but give the inmate the choice of life in this environment - or death by self inflicted suicide. A 'Suicide Room' could be easily designed where the inmate could push a button when ready. The inmate would have the opportunity to see loved ones, family members prior to but would then enter the room alone.
     
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  6. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    I dont support life sentances.. Waste of money. Just hang them.

    I think the victim(s) or victim(s) family should be able to choose the punishment though.

    I also dont like the idea of an easy stay at prison.. Hard hard labor should be reintroduced.

    "Gang" activity inside prisons should be dealt with brutal punishment as well.. Sick of seeing gangs flourish and their numbers increase because of the networking being done inside.

    That whole "tough guy" attitude guys go into prison with should be beat out of them.
     
  7. marty8587

    marty8587 NE Portland Active Member

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    yes!
     
  8. Classic

    Classic Federal Way WA Well-Known Member

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    H E L L YES!
     
  9. deann

    deann oregon Active Member

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    yes!
     
  10. BigBull 301

    BigBull 301 PDX almost Well-Known Member

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    Yes, it's the law........Oh never mind.
     
  11. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    Death to recidivism!

    D'oh!
     
  12. BAMCIS

    BAMCIS Eugene Well-Known Member

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    The problem is it is never carried out. Then when it is it is carried out it is for a 20 or 25 year old murder. This is caused by the left's contortion and perversion of the eighth amendment (cruel and unusual punishment). This is not accidental, but by design. They want it to be such a PITA that those who do want it carried out throw up their arms and say "why bother".

    When it was carried out as it was intended, that is often, it had a tremendous effect on crime rates and recidivism. But again, over the years those who are "enlightened" (in other words, the do-gooders) have contorted and perverted this argument into what we have today.
     
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  13. fuhr52

    fuhr52 Lane County. Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I still have trouble with this "cruel and unusual punishment" statement. I was taught in English class when using the word "and" in a statement both must be true or the statement is false. Although capital punishment might be cruel, depending on how it's carried out, it's far from unusual. But cold blooded murder of the unborn isn't cruel and unusual, so what do I know.
     
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  14. pakrat57

    pakrat57 Reedsport Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Yes, actually go the public hanging route if you really want it to be a deterrent. Best make sure they are guilty beyond any doubt though since there are no do overs.
     
  15. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    My though is no victim no crime..
    Crimes against "the state" are a jokeand government over reach..
    However clear crimes against a person or persons should be dealt with.
     
  16. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Some more interesting data on relation between murders and death penalty :

    Country | Homicide Rate | Death penalty
    US | 4.8 | YES
    Iceland | 0.3 | NO
    Austria | 0.6 | NO
    Switzerland | 0.7 | NO
    Spain | 0.8 | NO
    Germany | 0.8 | NO
    Denmark | 0.9 | NO
    Italy | 0.9 | NO
    Canada | 1.6 | NO

    Only developed "civilized" countries are listed. Now obviously there are countries out there which have lower homicide rates than US, and which may be developing, "uncivilized", etc, but have death penalty. Conclusion I want to make though - it is likely possible to deal with homicides without death penalty altogether. And you may be aware that the homicide rate in the US has been decreasing for last 20 years.
     
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  17. ripcity

    ripcity Milwaukie Active Member

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    Dayton Leroy Rogers should of died years ago.
     
  18. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    Wasnt it in Japan or Switzerland where a Japanese man murdered and ate a woman and hes free now.. Living in Japan..

    Not sure if I could let that slide.
    Especially if I was a family member of the woman he murdered.

    Not protesting your post, just stating on an opinion.. I think some crimes deserve an eye for an eye.
     
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  19. fd15k

    fd15k Tigard,OR Well-Known Member

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    Yes, there are two aspects to the question - moral and pragmatic. Pragmatism is much easier to address than morality :)
     
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  20. deadshot2

    deadshot2 NW Quadrant WA State Well-Known Member

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    What's that got to do with anything. Our WA State Governor recently announced that nobody would be executed on his watch. So much for what the voters wanted. Hope everyone remembers that at the next election (hah!).

    Argue all you want about whether it's a deterrent but it sure cures recidivism. Anyone want a great example of why there is a Death Penalty, read up on the Charles Rodman Campbell case. He even has his own Wikipedia page.