Shoppers tackle man coughing & spitting on produce

[Grumpa]

Bring back the stocks then at least the produce that had to be discarded could be used against him.

 

[Flopsweat]

You guys have brought up a good point. I think of poverty as a static thing - the lack of food and shelter. It's astounding to me that a person who owns a car, cell phone, and TV and lives indoors can be considered poor. You're not poor. Poor doesn't mean "not rich".

 

[bbbass]

Lol ok.

Tell someone not to get offended when they were initially offended. Shouldn't I be the one saying calm down or "oy vey"? Lol.

Money is a construction of power. Stating it's a fascist ideology or comparing it to a Stalin thought means little to the history behind monetary systems. Since humans earliest days values have always existed on certain things, like physical strengths, hunting abilities, etc. Not until monetary systems were created, did things like wealth and poor become realities.

But hey, don't get offended by my statements!

Reading comprehension... or are you, as someone said, being intentionally obtuse? LOL

I did NOT tell you not to get offended... I did say that I did not post about racism to be offensive. It was intended to be explanatory, and an example of your logical fallacy. I also said I had no wish to offend you. You really must take responsibility for your own feelings. To be clear, if I felt offended, that's on me.

When you use terms and thinking that seem socialist/commie to me (I said nothing about facist), I worry that you are not who I thought you to be... but again, that's on me... I may have misconstrued what you were saying. That's MY problem, not yours. OK? I was only trying to explain why I was upset by your terminology and thinking. My bad.

IMO, your argument is pure sophistry. Poor and wealth existed, and still exist, w/o monetary systems. For one thing, physical strength and hunting ability led to greater position, leadership, and therefore "power" within ancient societies. At a time when money as such did not exist. In other societies all over the world, even some in modern times, land and herd number were the markers of wealth. In those societies money did not, or does not, exist. But those that had land and animals were wealthy and had power, those that did not were poor and had no power. All w/o money. Trade took place w/o money. Barter took place w/o money. Armament was traded w/o money. Horses were traded w/o money.

Was gold money?... no more than any other precious metals. But those that had gold, silver, jade, and gems, could be rich. And those w/o poor.

Those that had slaves were rich. Slaves were traded w/o money. Those with no slaves were poor.

Rich/poor existed long before coinage and the currency of the Realm was invented. Currency may have been a construct of govt,, but the concept of rich/poor and the reality of rich/poor existed long before coin.

So school me on the history of money. Was it created by traders? Or is it that coinage may have been invented by those in power in order to more efficiently tax the peasants, rather than confiscating their chickens or their harvest. You tell me if you know or if you are blowing smoke. Gotta link?

But tying it to rich/poor is just sophistry as I have shown, since one historically could be either rich or poor at times when money did not exist. That is all.

 

[Mike_M57]

Even these stories of people doing clearly dumb stuff, 30 year prison sentences and biological terrorism charges, WTF?

If anything a day or two in prison and fined for the groceries destroyed.

A month ago if you knocked over a few racks of wine on accidentally or intentionally, you wouldn't be charged with 30 years in prison.

Knocking over a few racks of wine clearly is not the same thing as intentionally trying to spread infection in the time of a global pandemic, or "pretending" to do so in order to cause panic in the general population.

But apparently I'm the reincarnation of Josef Mengele for having an opinion on the treatment of domestic terrorists. Guess it's a good thing we have the First Amendment.

 

[bbbass]

@Reno

Here is an interesting PBS article about the history of money. They equate/conflate all things of value historically to money. To me it's a weird way to look at it. (I hate PBS) The History of Money

But note that they do not talk about money as a construct or power or an invention of those in power. Tho "Coin of the Realm" may have clearly been so.

I would also say that money as it is perceived in the article, conveys power. Certainly wealth brings power. And power brings wealth. Lords, Princes, Kings, Pirates, Congressman...

 

[teflon6string]

That would be nice. I run outdoor power equipment. I use radio when I'm on the road or doing hand work.

For the sake of continuity, "that," mentioned above, is the use of audiobooks on a cell phone to mask tinnitus, not to mention the entertainment value. You should try it Mike!

Most libraries loan audiobooks for free via apps like Libby and Overdrive. Retired and working on projects around the house every day, I've plowed through a couple hundred books in just 2-3 years. Earmuffs over the earbuds work great when I get loud with grinders, saws, sanders, etc. Highly recommended for loners who like to keep the mind active but feel antsy sitting down to read when there's other stuff to be done.

Real reading is important too, so I keep a couple books going on the dresser for settling in at night. And Popular Mechanics of course. Getting hearing aids this year (at least I hope so). 3 Criteria: Rechargeable, programmable from my phone and Bluetooth capable.

Back to the topic here...
If this thread were titled "Shoppers Catch Man/Woman/Teen Intentionally Spitting on Produce - and Stomp Them to Paste," I'd be okay with that too, and just hope they wore masks.

 

[DangerDog]

I would've kicked his a$$ just for being stupid. Not because I'm afraid of some fake virus. I'm more afraid of my country being less and less and less of America and more like Nazi Germany >:0

 

[Member 34319]

Sometimes I wonder if some just like to tell others that they are smarter than others. Also a form of wealth vs poor.

But I'm apparently uneducated, living paycheck to paycheck, and now have zero reading comprehension.

Love how we all turn on each other when we simply do not agree or have different understandings.

@bbbass I wish you the best. I hope this CV virus isn't affecting you in negative ways. I know I'm on edge. At this ppint, I think it be best we agree to disagree and move on. No sense in any sort of back and forth that won't change anyone's views on things, and is simply a pissing match over who might know more or needs to educate the other.

 

[Xrperry]

They should have beat him to an INCH of his pitiful existence, then threw him in the dumpster with all the other trash

 

[Dungannon]

Used to be that passengers and crew were expected to cooperate with hijackers. Then came 9/11 and now it's "I'm fighting back." I think the other shoppers reacted the way many gun-owners have advocated: don't be a victim, don't be sheep.

 

[Alexx1401]

So a couple of thoughts.
First off why would someone want to hurt others. Most likely they are broke, lazy, mentally ill, and finally Satans helpers.

Second. Is that a robot?

Massachusetts shoppers tackle man after allegedly coughing, spitting on produce amid coronavirus outbreak

A group of Massachusetts shoppers tackled a man and pinned him to the ground until police arrived after reportedly catching him intentionally coughing and spitting on groceries amid the coronavirus pandemic.

www.foxnews.com

This country has LONG had a LOT of mentally unstable people roaming loose. This is what the voters decided they wanted. Now with the news going wall to wall with this a lot of these people are finding a way to get the attention they crave.

 

[Wombat of Doom]

I've told my Mom and every other person I know to turn the damn TV off! I've even quit visiting Foxnews.com, it's all bad, all the time!!!! Tune out!

Me and the psychiatrists I work with are giving this as our first line of treatment for anxiety.

 

[Flopsweat]

I think we need to be careful what we call terrorism. This guy was most likely a nutcase, but most likely not what I would consider a terrorist. I have seen no evidence that he was trying to promote a political agenda.

 

[Alexx1401]

I think we need to be careful what we call terrorism. This guy was most likely a nutcase, but most likely not what I would consider a terrorist. I have seen no evidence that he was trying to promote a political agenda.

He was not a terrorist of course. They are charging people like this with a law about "Terroristic threats" to try to scare the "I need attention" morons who want to put it on media. Like the licking ice cream. Since I have not heard this moron was filming himself doing it he was I am sure one of the kooks they let roam loose now. The kind that need to be locked in a hospital but are now allowed to roam free.
The nuts who do crap like this for attention always get slapped on the hand so they are hopping to make an example out of a few and actually punish them enough to make others not think it's worth the :15 of fame. The ones who do it for the fame should be put into slave labor till they pay off the cost of their little stunts.

 

[Oregonhunter5]

But,,,.,I would think not all are nuts. I would guess some are jerk offs. We've seen plenty of those since trump took office....

 

[Wombat of Doom]

Money is a construction of power. Stating it's a fascist ideology or comparing it to a Stalin thought means little to the history behind monetary systems. Since humans earliest days values have always existed on certain things, like physical strengths, hunting abilities, etc. Not until monetary systems were created, did things like wealth and poor become realities.

But hey, don't get offended by my statements!

I disagree, but on a more fundamental basis. Before money, wealth was still a thing. It might be conveyed in an abundance of raw goods, ie a large herd of cattle or something, but it is wealth, perhaps in a far purer sense. Money is shorthand in a non-fiat currency. (Since 1964 things have changed, but most of human history is backed by this.) It is an agreed upon medium of trade no different than trading 40 bushels of grain for iron and steel. In fact, some of the earliest bronze age currencies shaped in the shape of the animal its value in trade was indicative of. Needless to say, the price of a bull in bronze is not very pocket friendly.

I would say since time immemorial, there has been wealth and poverty even in cultures that to this day do not use money. Having spent a month among tribes in new guinea was oddly enlightening to me. Cash was unusable, clothes were almost nill. and there was wealth and poverty.

 

[bbbass]

Sometimes I wonder if some just like to tell others that they are smarter than others. Also a form of wealth vs poor.

But I'm apparently uneducated, living paycheck to paycheck, and now have zero reading comprehension.

Love how we all turn on each other when we simply do not agree or have different understandings.

@bbbass I wish you the best. I hope this CV virus isn't affecting you in negative ways. I know I'm on edge. At this ppint, I think it be best we agree to disagree and move on. No sense in any sort of back and forth that won't change anyone's views on things, and is simply a pissing match over who might know more or needs to educate the other.

Yup, I think you are on edge. I won't say i'm not, but I'm guilty of NONE of the things you impune.

I NEVER said I was smarter than you.
I NEVER said you were uneducated.
I NEVER said anything regarding your wealth or any lack thereof.
I DID accuse you of failing to comprehend what I wrote. (Does it sound better to you if I accuse you of willfully misconstruing my words, or putting words in my mouth, of being "intentionally obtuse"? So be it... I accuse you of such.

Turn on each other?
My only sin was disagreeing with you. Then of making several attempts to backup my position and to prove my points. You kept twisting my words. It's really hard to have a successful chat about ideas when the other side won't argue fairly, gets defensive, and then goes on the offense.

I'd say that I agree that this has become a pissing match on YOUR part. For me it never was... it was a discussion of ideas and positions. Please stop trying to imply that I said I know more, or that I was educating you. I was merely arguing my points... SAME AS YOU!! I ASKED you to educate me. When you chose not to do so, I researched and shared an interesting article on the history of money, which is what the discussion was about. No? And how that history might play into wealth/poverty, or not. Did I misunderstand? Was the discussion about who was right? It seems to be for you.

Much as you, I see no point in continuing the discussion. You won't argue logically and fairly, so that's that then. I'll leave you in peace because I'm really wanting to write some pissy, passive aggressive BS and that's not where I really want to be with you in the long run. I hope we can both heal this breach.

I'm sorry you took offense to my comments about socialistic/commie/Lenin, and also to the example of college professors using that terminology to say there is no racism possible for people of color... I was only trying to explain. Wasn't expecting the attack I got in return.

Be well...

 

[Alexx1401]

But,,,.,I would think not all are nuts. I would guess some are jerk offs. We've seen plenty of those since trump took office....

The ones filming themselves doing it so they can post it are sane. They just need constant attention. Those are the ones who should have to pay for the damage they cause. They do it because the norm is all their life they have never had consequences for the stupid crap they pull. Their "attention" should be them in some kind of forced labor earning money to pay for what they damaged.

 

[Alexx1401]

Speaking of full blown crazy people going nuts.

I guess the Banks Vernonia Trail is closed. The parking lot is marked that it is closed, but zero mention of the actual trail being closed. It is, but I didn't know this till we got home. People were on it, so I figured we would ride our bikes anyways.

On the way back. Some crazy is yelling at everyone. "TRAIL IS CLOSED, IM CALLING THE POLICE, YOU ARE TRESPASSING!!!"

WTF. It's not like everyone was walking 2" apart.

Meanwhile the golf coarse parking lot, visible from my house, is jam packed.

Differences? IDK.

People are turning into little informants.

East German Stasi were able to get something around 35% of the people they were trying to control to inform on each other. Nothing has changed.911 operators are getting a LOT of calls now from people who want police to come tell others to not do something. I feel sorry for those people who have to field these calls now. It's always been a hugely sucky job. This has made it far worse. I would have been telling the nut yelling they were #1 as I laughed at them.

 

[Alexx1401]

You guys have brought up a good point. I think of poverty as a static thing - the lack of food and shelter. It's astounding to me that a person who owns a car, cell phone, and TV and lives indoors can be considered poor. You're not poor. Poor doesn't mean "not rich".

Many have pointed out that this is the only place in the world where the #1 health problem facing those in "poverty" is being obese to the point they have all kinds of health problems from shoving too much food in their face all day.