Ship Ruger Old Army from Oregon to Illinois?

[Rem725]

Can a BP revolver be sent seller to buyer out of state? Namely Oregon to Illinois. Or do we need an ffl at one or both ends.

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[User 1234]

Illinois requires them to be received by an FFL dealer. Call the receiving dealer first to make sure they will receive and transfer it to the buyer.

 

[billdeserthills]

Seems like federal law doesn't require an FFL to receive a black powder gun--last I heard it was illegal to require more stringent rules than the Constitution does

 

[Idaho44]

State and local laws place restrictions on guns and ammo. May not be what you like but why impose your 'beliefs' on someone whose compliance is beneficial to sustaining their livelihood? Most " laws and regulations or restrictions" are tools for persecution of entities and are used as such!

 

[DLS]

Seems like federal law doesn't require an FFL to receive a black powder gun--last I heard it was illegal to require more stringent rules than the Constitution does

Nope, states can impose more stringent requirements in many instances. Just look at magazine capacity limits for one.

 

[Alexx1401]

Seems like federal law doesn't require an FFL to receive a black powder gun--last I heard it was illegal to require more stringent rules than the Constitution does

If only that was true. IL makes you have a FIOD card even for the BP guns. Every state has a set of laws on guns, all of them different. Some places even cities get involved in this. They can of course be fought in court but, who pays? It can be HUGE expense to fight these law makers. The law makers do not care as they have tax money to hire all the lawyers they want.

 

[Lars]

I guess the biggest question is, do you have a Ruger Old Army for sale?

 

[Rem725]

I guess the biggest question is, do you have a Ruger Old Army for sale?

Yes, an agreement was made. Money received. I think I will return the money and forget sending the Old Army 44. It is not worth sticking my neck out.

 

[Alexx1401]

Yes, an agreement was made. Money received. I think I will return the money and forget sending the Old Army 44. It is not worth sticking my neck out.

Toss it up for sale here. Ever since they stopped making those fine pistols there has been a constant search for them by people who want one. Most of the people here live in a state where you can legally just ship it direct to them. May even find someone who wants to meet you face to face to buy.

 

[Rem725]

Toss it up for sale here. Ever since they stopped making those fine pistols there has been a constant search for them by people who want one. Most of the people here live in a state where you can legally just ship it direct to them. May even find someone who wants to meet you face to face to buy.

This may happen.

 

[billdeserthills]

If only that was true. IL makes you have a FIOD card even for the BP guns. Every state has a set of laws on guns, all of them different. Some places even cities get involved in this. They can of course be fought in court but, who pays? It can be HUGE expense to fight these law makers. The law makers do not care as they have tax money to hire all the lawyers they want.

Seems to me that Marbury vs Madison was pretty clear on this

Marbury v. Madison - Wikipedia

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As you say it must be costly but the winner should have legal expenses paid by the loser

 

[Alexx1401]

Seems to me that Marbury vs Madison was pretty clear on this

Marbury v. Madison - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As you say it must be costly but the winner should have legal expenses paid by the loser

Now that would be GRAND if they did that. Sadly of course we will never see that happen. An amazing number of people still seem to be under the impression that the constitution and even SCOTUS judgments are final. They are nothing but a piece of paper that means nothing. Everything is up to some black robe to say what really is. For anyone who does not like what some black robe decides they have to find someone to pay to fight it. When it comes to guns its real easy to find lots of black robes who hate them.

 

[billdeserthills]

Now that would be GRAND if they did that. Sadly of course we will never see that happen. An amazing number of people still seem to be under the impression that the constitution and even SCOTUS judgments are final. They are nothing but a piece of paper that means nothing. Everything is up to some black robe to say what really is. For anyone who does not like what some black robe decides they have to find someone to pay to fight it. When it comes to guns its real easy to find lots of black robes who hate them.

Call out the snipers?

 

[Alexx1401]

Call out the snipers?

yes sadly you see a lot of this on the net. Cutey saying that make great bumper stickers. For all the tough talk its just not ever going to happen. Look at the last year plus of this great hoax. The masses laid down and begged to be beaten more. As long as there is food in the store and stuff to watch on TV few care. Any who did take up arms would be flattened like a bug. Then the press would go 24/7 on how some "kook" with a gun did this and champion more gun control.
There is only one solution that will ever work, voting well. Far too many gun owners are not willing to do this. Since they will not vote it's even more laughable that they are going to take up arms and fight.

 

[billdeserthills]

On the bright side, right now more people than ever own guns & are intent on not turning them in for any reason

 

[Rem725]

Can someone provide a law quote (in simple English) that says BP guns do not require ffl to sell inside Oregon (or maybe to WA) Face to face preferred.

 

[Ura-Ki]

Do a little digging, Oregon does NOT consider Black Power arms to be "Firearms" and as such, they re NOT subject to an FFL for a Back Ground Check!
Don't let any one tell you otherwise, and do not let them try and tell you that because they can be converted to fire self contained cartridges, that they are subject to those laws, THEY ARE NOT!

 

[DLS]

The law is not going to state expressly that you can sell a BP gun without following certain steps.

It will define a firearm, then detail the rules needed to transfer a firearm.

If you look at Washington and Oregon's (as well as most other jurisdictions) you will see BP arms do not fit the definition af a firearm. Anything not fitting the description is not controlled by the follow-on statutes.

But the way, I'd be interested in your Ruger!

 

[Alexx1401]

Can someone provide a law quote (in simple English) that says BP guns do not require ffl to sell inside Oregon (or maybe to WA) Face to face preferred.

One easy way to check? Look at online retailers who sell BP guns. See if they are willing to just ship you one. If they are that tells you all you need to know. The sites that sell these will show which states and localities have restrictions and what those are.

 

[aflineman]

Can someone provide a law quote (in simple English) that says BP guns do not require ffl to sell inside Oregon (or maybe to WA) Face to face preferred.

Get ahold of The Gunworks over in Springfield. They are a premier dealer in BP firearms, and are well schooled on the various laws nationwide.