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Sheriff: "Shoot him in your back yard before he gets in your house. Drop him,"

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Chee-to, Aug 13, 2015.

  1. Chee-to

    Chee-to Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Somebody got the message........:D

    Sheriff: Domestic violence leads to murder despite restraining order


    GEISMAR, LA (WAFB) -

    A murder rooted in domestic violence has a neighborhood stunned and the sheriff in Ascension Parish furious.

    According to the Ascension Parish Sheriff’s Office, deputies responded to call of a domestic dispute around 11 p.m. Sunday at a house in the Parks of Dutchtown subdivision in Geismar.

    What they found was a shattered back door and the body of 45-year-old Monica Butler Johnson in the back yard. According to Sheriff Jeff Wiley, she had been bludgeoned to death with a baseball bat.

    Investigators say the victim hosted a graduation party for her eldest son earlier in the day. Hours later, deputies say her estranged husband, 38-year-old David Johnson, broke in and attacked her with a baseball bat. Johnson also allegedly beat the victim’s son when he tried to intervene, breaking the 18-year-old’s arm, before fleeing the area.

    Monica’s son and his younger brother ran to neighbors for help.

    "My husband hugged the kids and told them they would be ok. We did what we could do as a parent, as a neighbor," said neighbor Christalyn Delaney.

    Johnson was arrested around 1 a.m. Monday by West Baton Rouge Parish Deputies. He has been charged with first degree murder, attempted first degree murder, violations of protective orders, and aggravated burglary with a weapon and has been booked into the Ascension Parish Jail.

    He is currently awaiting arraignment.

    David Johnson previously worked for the East Baton Rouge Parish Sheriff's Office as a full-time deputy from July 1997 to May 2003. According to spokeswoman Casey Hicks, he left EBRSO to go to school for physical therapy. He then later worked at a home health place.

    Court documents show Monica was working through the legal system to protect herself from her estranged husband. She even obtained a restraining order against Johnson last month, and it was still active when she was killed. APSO records show a history of domestic violence abuse, including a previous arrest of Johnson on December 31, 2014 where he was charged with domestic abuse strangulation.

    However, Sheriff Wiley said this case shows the limits of a system meant to protect victims. While he said it is important to fully utilize the legal system, he said it can’t protect victims 24/7. He suggested an additional option.

    "Get your concealed weapons permit. Ladies, learn how to safely handle a weapon, learn how to safely store a weapon, and when you're in a situation like this shoot him in your back yard before he gets in your house. Drop him," said Wiley.

    The Sheriff admitted the advice may sound radical, but he said extreme violence requires extraordinary efforts for protection.

    "Take the extremes necessary to live a life where you don't have to worry about your kids and your life," said Wiley.

    The executive director of the Iris Domestic Violence Center Lynne Medley-Long also said there could be more done to help protect victims. Medley-Long said that while Louisiana has strengthened its laws on domestic abuse, there could be more done on the civil side to identify harmful and potentially dangerous behavior of abusers.

    There are also many resources available to victims of domestic violence, to help them get out of an abusive situation and navigate challenges after.

    http://www.wafb.com/story/29750324/...dly-leads-to-murder-despite-restraining-order
     
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  2. Tbucket

    Tbucket Olympia,Wash. Active Member

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    I do not care what that sheriff say's, you shoot him in the back yard you are going to jail for murder. I think you should be able to do it, but we all know what would happen if you did.
     
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  3. Swshield9mm

    Swshield9mm Oregon Member

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    We dont have "duty to retreat" in oregon do we? If your out back gardening and a crazy ex- (whom you have a restraining order against) jumps the fence and your scared the threat should end there. In the back yard. No need to race to the house and try to lock the door while they kick it down. JMHO
     
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  4. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    The best prevention against violent crazy is a force equalizer such as a firearm.

    All the anti firearm groups, femminazis and BIGOT elitist government officials WANT women like her to die.. Only they hope its the attacker that uses a firearm rather than the victim.
    Had he used a firearm, these folks would gladly position their podium atop the slain body and wade in the pool of blood to further their agenda.

    Sheep do not realize laws dont stop the willing criminal, anti firearm laws dont stop the willing criminal, hell even NOT HAVING A FIREARM wont stop the willing criminal.

    Honestly, as BAD as it sounds.. If someone is stalking you, has beat you and is prone to violent outbursts when around you and YET you STILL DIDNT purchase or borrow a firearm before your timely demise.. You have only yourself and your ignorance to blame.

    Sad, very sad. But the sherif is right.
    Buy a firearm, become very proficient with that firearm and put that MF'er down if they come near you with ill-intent.
     
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  5. Ben Beckerich

    Ben Beckerich NW Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Shoot any mother bubblegumer meaning to do you real harm, whether it's your living room, back yard, front yard, alley, parking lot, church, work, his house or his mamas. "Drop him." Doesn't matter where you are. That's what the sheriff is pointing out, I'm sure.
     
  6. etrain16

    etrain16 Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    The way I was reading it, I don't think he implied if the guy is just standing in the backyard, you just waste him. I think the implication is (and he could clarify this) is that he's in the backyard, trying to break in and get to you - then yes, drop him.
     
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  7. The Heretic

    The Heretic Oregon Well-Known Member

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    And this would have helped the victim how?

    She already had identified the harmful/dangerous behavior and the abuser. She had already gotten out of the relationship.

    She navigated "all of the challenges" as they would have recommended, save one; she didn't have a gun when he came over with a baseball bat.
     
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  8. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Is "your backyard" code for "the kidney"? I'd sue anyway since this is Rome and all.
     
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  9. hker71

    hker71 Portland Metro Area Active Member

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    I really doubt they would have charged the victim for murder if she had in fact shot the suspect in the backyard before he was able to kill her based on the prior circumstances and because she was a female. If a male did that to another male it would be viewed differently.

    Restraining orders are a joke and offer only a make believe sense of protection for the victims.
     
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  10. U201491

    U201491 Well-Known Member

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    Depends on where you live. There I say not. In places like Oregon and Washington urban liberal areas yes.
    You cannot be defending yourself with libs around :\/\/\/\/
    You live in real America and you generally have the rights remaining to defend yourself by whatever means it takes. It is the peers that make the difference. Americans or Socialists and you choose which you live amongst.
     
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  11. Certaindeaf

    Certaindeaf SE Portland Well-Known Member

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    Didn't really click. I guess now she gets to be judged by her peers.. instead of.. you know. anyway
     
  12. 308

    308 ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ Platinum Supporter Silver Supporter

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    No, she gets to be carried by 6 rather than judged by 12.
     
  13. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    I was in fear for my life and shot until the threat was over.

    PERIOD

    Backyard
    Frontyard
    Park down the street grocery store parking lot
    Or standing in your bedroom at home

    I WAS IN FEAR FOR MY LIFE I SHOT UNTIL THE THREAT WAS OVER.
     
  14. 45alive

    45alive South Douglas County- Orygun Well-Known Member

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    I heard from a little birdie:s0009: that if a criminal is '' Inside your home :s0046:with the intent to cause great bodily harm:s0077: ''Ie'' Murder,:s0148: Do what ever it takes to defend yourself .'' :s0109: :s0012: :s0037: :s0045: :s0057: :s0081: :s0084: :s0125: :s0001: :s0017::s0030::s0039: :s0116: :s0080: :s0166: :s0047: :s0160: :s0163:
     
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    SheepDog223 Salem Well-Known Member

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    If there is immediate and imminent threat of rape, maiming, or to the loss of your life. :s0017:Until he or she is no longer a threat. Whether you're in your back yard or not.
     
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    SheepDog223 Salem Well-Known Member

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    Wait a min.... 45alive... Are you g to tell me that if a criminal is in my home showering with the intent to cause bodily harm I can do whatever it takes to defend myself? Lol
     
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    45alive South Douglas County- Orygun Well-Known Member

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  18. Goosebrown

    Goosebrown Beaverton Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter 2015 Volunteer

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    I generally feel that killing someone in the yard if you know they are coming to do you harm is arguable in court. You don't have to retreat in Oregon and with a history of violence and a baseball bat, you'd be OK. However it seems he attacked her in the house then followed her out...
     
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    Slobray Yelm, WA Well-Known Member

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    I think Ms. Medley-Long is clueless, she doesn't want the police involved because it could "escalate the harm to the victim".

    Working at a "Domestic Violence Center", Ms. Medley-Long should know that it's a never ending cycle and it always gets worse. Even if the victim were to stay with the abuser and never say anything about the abuse, it would only intensify until the abuser kills the victim.


    Maybe if these "Domestic Violence Centers" were teaching the women that come to them for help to protect themselves and their children as part of the process, there would be less dead women and less abusers running around.


    Ray
     
  20. MamaBear

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    In looking at Idaho law, it seems there is a duty to retreat, but case history seems to show a different story?