sheep dogs and mall shooters....My opinion.

[dmancornell]

Who are you to decide? So what are you? "Sheepdogs" are a state of mind. People willing to go to the problem instead of running away from it. You talk alot about people who give up their rights but, what about you? You drive without the "state mandated license" and don't follow traffic laws as other "lemmings," right?You talk a great game- on the internet. DM=fail.

Um no, "sheepdog" is a self-appointed title. I am amused by the idea of the CCH thinking of himself as a sheepdog, i.e: THANK YOU MASTER for allowing me to carry a puff gun to inflate my self-worth via delusional self-aggrandizement. And if CCH's are sheepdogs, does that make cops pitbulls?

Incidentally I did get a ticket a couple weeks ago, alas, that is the price to drive like a normal person instead of a lemming.

 

[mjbskwim]

None of you venom spewers are rational or logical. I was.. what I stated about him walking by an Asian to continute to shoot whites and maybe other races is fact

Doesn't mean you shouldn't have your doc adjust your meds.
What's that saying about letting people THINK your and idiot or opening your mouth to prove it?

Sometime you have some good points Blitz,but lately your dribble is going overboard.
Really,get the meds figured out.

 

[aslinged]

None of you venom spewers are rational or logical. I was.. what I stated about him walking by an Asian to continute to shoot whites and maybe other races is fact

No. Logic dictates that human beings are individuals and cannot be categorized by skin color, nationality, etc. The Bill of Rights, the Magna Carta and the Constitution all reflect this fact. Further, logic dictates that even if he did choose not to kill certain people over others you have absolutely no way of knowing the reasoning behind that choice.

Of course, also there is the fact that you heard this rumor second or third hand and yet choose to deploy it in public as a means of justifying your preexisting assumptions. You are neither logical nor remotely correct in your absurd judgment of potential enemies. You have lost this argument, disgraced this community and yourself and would now do well to remove yourself from the keyboard.

 

[Adam12]

Um no, "sheepdog" is a self-appointed title. I am amused by the idea of the CCH thinking of himself as a sheepdog, i.e: THANK YOU MASTER for allowing me to carry a puff gun to inflate my self-worth via delusional self-aggrandizement. And if CCH's are sheepdogs, does that make cops pitbulls?

Incidentally I did get a ticket a couple weeks ago, alas, that is the price to drive like a normal person instead of a lemming.

Actually, sheepdog is a phrase from Col Grossman. Not self appointed, rather state of mind/ mental preparedness. Cop, soldier, civilian all can be sheepdogs if you are in the mindset. Willing to do what it takes to accomplish the mission; stop the threat.

It doesn't surprise me you got a ticket, rules don't apply to you. Why pay the ticket?

 

[dmancornell]

Actually, sheepdog is a phrase from Col Grossman. Not self appointed, rather state of mind/ mental preparedness. Cop, soldier, civilian all can be sheepdogs if you are in the mindset. Willing to do what it takes to accomplish the mission; stop the threat.

Yeah, that's called training for condition red. Sheepdog implies you're doing the "sheep" a favor. Of course Grossman, being the grotesque militarist that he is (killology, is he f***ing serious), would believe in such a ridiculous lie.

 

[Adam12]

Yeah, that's called training for condition red. Sheepdog implies you're doing the "sheep" a favor. Of course Grossman, being the grotesque militarist that he is (killology, is he f***ing serious), would believe in such a ridiculous lie.

I'd say a guy that has been studying this type of thing for decades probably has more intelligent things to say than you about the subject unless, of course, you have some specific knowledge you have failed to share until now???

 

[Adam12]

Parable of the Sheep
By Charles Riggs, (C) 1997

Not so long ago and in a pasture too uncomfortably close to here, a flock of sheep lived and grazed. They were protected by a dog, who answered to the master, but despite his best efforts from time to time a nearby pack of wolves would prey upon the flock.

One day a group of sheep, more bold than the rest, met to discuss their dilemma. "Our dog is good, and vigilant, but he is one dog and the wolves are many. The wolves he catches are not always killed, and the master judges and releases many to prey again upon us, for no reason we can understand. What can we do? We are sheep, but we do not wish to be food, too!"

One sheep spoke up, saying "It is his teeth and claws that make the wolf so terrible to us. It is his nature to prey, and he would find any way to do it, but it is the tools he wields that make it possible. If we had such teeth, we could fight back, and stop this savagery." The other sheep clamored in agreement, and they went together to the old bones of the dead wolves heaped in the corner of the pasture, and gathered fang and claw and made them into weapons.

That night, when the wolves came, the newly armed sheep sprang up with their weapons and struck at them and cried "Begone! We are not food!" and drove off the wolves, who were astonished. When did sheep become so bold and so dangerous to wolves? When did sheep grow teeth? It was unthinkable!

The next day, flush with victory and waving their weapons, they approached the flock to pronounce their discovery. But as they drew nigh, the flock huddled together and cried out "Baaaaaaaadddd! Baaaaaddd things! You have bad things! We are afraid! You are not sheep!"

The brave sheep stopped, amazed. "But we are your brethren!" they cried, "We are still sheep, but we do not wish to be food. See, our new teeth and claws protect us and have saved us from slaughter. They do not make us into wolves, they make us equal to the wolves, and safe from their viciousness!"

"Baaaaaaaddd!", cried the flock,"the things are bad and will pervert you, and we fear them. You cannot bring them into the flock. They scare us!". So the armed sheep resolved to conceal their weapons, for although they had no desire to panic the flock, they wished to remain in the fold. But they would not return to those nights of terror, waiting for the wolves to come.

In time, the wolves attacked less often and sought easier prey, for they had no stomach for fighting sheep who possessed tooth and claw even as they did. Not knowing which sheep had fangs and which did not, they came to leave sheep out of their diet almost completely except for the occasional raid, from which more than one wolf did not return. Then came the day when, as the flock grazed beside the stream, one sheep's weapon slipped from the folds of her fleece, and the flock cried out in terror again, "Baaaaaaddddd! You still possess these evil things! We must ban you from our presence!".

And so they did. The great chief sheep and his court and council, encouraged by the words of their moneylenders and advisors, placed signs and totems at the edges of the pasture forbidding the presence of hidden weapons there. The armed sheep protested before the council, saying "It is our pasture, too, and we have never harmed you! When can you say we have caused you hurt? It is the wolves, not we, who prey upon you. We are still sheep, but we are not food!". But the flock would not hear, and drowned them out with cries of "Baaaaaaddd! We will not hear your clever words! You and your things are evil and will harm us!".

Saddened by this rejection, the armed sheep moved off and spent their days on the edges of the flock, trying from time to time to speak with their brethren to convince them of the wisdom of having such teeth, but meeting with little success. They found it hard to talk to those who, upon hearing their words, would roll back their eyes and flee, crying "Baaaaddd! Bad things!".

That night, the wolves happened upon the sheep's totems and signs, and said, "Truly, these sheep are fools! They have told us they have no teeth! Brothers, let us feed!". And they set upon the flock, and horrible was the carnage in the midst of the fold. The dog fought like a demon, and often seemed to be in two places at once, but even he could not halt the slaughter. It was only when the other sheep arrived with their weapons that the wolves fled, vowing to each other to remain on the edge of the pasture and wait for the next time they could prey, for if the sheep were so foolish once, they would be so again. This they did, and do still.

In the morning, the armed sheep spoke to the flock, and said, "See? If the wolves know you have no teeth, they will fall upon you. Why be prey? To be a sheep does not mean to be food for wolves!". But the flock cried out, more feebly for their voices were fewer, though with no less terror, "Baaaaaaaadddd! These things are bad! If they were banished, the wolves would not harm us! Baaaaaaaddd!". The other sheep could only hang their heads and sigh. The flock had forgotten that even they possessed teeth; how else could they graze the grasses of the pasture? It was only those who preyed, like the wolves and jackals, who turned their teeth to evil ends. If you pulled their own fangs those beasts would take another's teeth and claws, perhaps even the broad flat teeth of sheep, and turn them to evil purposes.

The bold sheep knew that the fangs and claws they possessed had not changed them. They still grazed like other sheep, and raised their lambs in the spring, and greeted their friend the dog as he walked among them. But they could not quell the terror of the flock, which rose in them like some ancient dark smoky spirit and could not be damped by reason, nor dispelled by the light of day.

So they resolved to retain their weapons, but to conceal them from the flock; to endure their fear and loathing, and even to protect their brethren if the need arose, until the day the flock learned to understand that as long as there were wolves in the night, sheep would need teeth to repel them.
They would still be sheep, but they would not be food!

 

[dmancornell]

I'd say a guy that has been studying this type of thing for decades probably has more intelligent things to say than you about the subject unless, of course, you have some specific knowledge you have failed to share until now???

Right, because decades of being an unquestioning footpad then mouthpiece for the state somehow legitimizes his laughably delusional views about how state mandated murder supposedly protects liberty.

Why don't you ask professors at Hamburger University about how fast food makes you fat? LOL.

By the way, your story with the sheep and the dog is f***ing stupid. Maybe you should explain how exactly the state protects liberty with their overseas wars and unconstitutional treason at home, instead of posting an allegorical rant insulting the dumb civilians who don't appreciate the benevolent jackboot stomping on their face, for their own good of course.

 

[sheepdip]

why cant they just cap themselves and be done with it?

 

[sheepdip]

W.T.F. IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

 

[orygun]

So, a CHL holder came forward. He had the shooter in his sights and didn't shoot because of people moving about in the background.

More than one eye witness said there were three gunmen. Now we know about two of them. Who was the third?

 

[DuneHopper]

W.T.F. IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?

Don't like the planet they can take a quick way out, why take innocent with you ??

 

[Adam12]

Right, because decades of being an unquestioning footpad then mouthpiece for the state somehow legitimizes his laughably delusional views about how state mandated murder supposedly protects liberty.

Why don't you ask professors at Hamburger University about how fast food makes you fat? LOL.

By the way, your story with the sheep and the dog is f***ing stupid. Maybe you should explain how exactly the state protects liberty with their overseas wars and unconstitutional treason at home, instead of posting an allegorical rant insulting the dumb civilians who don't appreciate the benevolent jackboot stomping on their face, for their own good of course.

 

[Adam12]

I am trying to figure out how he is a "mouthpiece" for the state. I think that is something you like to throw in to get people here to rally to your aid when you have a bad argument.

So, DMA, tell me how he is a mouthpiece for the "state?" Try using you big people words this time.

 

[Misterbill]

When I'm in that situation, I will tell you what I did. Until it actually happens, it's all conjecture.

My FIRST priority, in any life-threatening situation is to:

1. Aid the injured.

2. Defend myself and those around me.

After that ti's all up for grabs. I've BEEN in life threatening situations before. More than once. I KNOW how I will react. I've actually BEEN under hostile fire. Yes, I get it.

There is no magic bullet to these situations. There just isn't. Any claim to the contrary is made by posers.

 

[pokerace]

Here is what is on KGW web site.



Clackamas man, armed, confronts mall shooter
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by Mike Benner
Bio | Email | Follow: @MikeBennerKGW


Posted on December 14, 2012 at 10:15 PM






PORTLAND, Ore ... Nick Meli is emotionally drained. The 22-year-old was at Clackamas Town Center with a friend and her baby when a masked man opened fire.

"I heard three shots and turned and looked at Casey and said, 'are you serious?'"

The friend and baby hit the floor. Meli, who has a concealed carry permit, positioned himself behind a pillar.

"He was working on his rifle," said Meli. "He kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side."

The break in gunfire allowed Meli to pull out his own gun, but he never took his eyes off the shooter.

"As I was going down to pull I saw someone in the back of the charlotte move and I knew if I fired and missed I could hit them."

Meli took cover inside a nearby store. He never pulled the trigger. He stands by that decision.

"I'm not beating myself up cause I didn't shoot him," said Meli. "I know after he saw me I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself."

The gunman was dead, but not before taking two innocent lives with him and taking the innocence of everyone else.

"I don't ever want to see anyone that way ever," said Meli. "It just bothers me."



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[dmancornell]

I am trying to figure out how he is a "mouthpiece" for the state. I think that is something you like to throw in to get people here to rally to your aid when you have a bad argument.

So, DMA, tell me how he is a mouthpiece for the "state?" Try using you big people words this time.

LOL, saying I need help making an argument when the only posts you can come up with are a smiley and a allegorical animal story insulting civilians who dare to question state ordained violence. Sounds like you're the one who needs help.

By the way, any professor of "military science" is by definition a mouthpiece for the state. Ever read John Keegan? Not once did he ever even question the legitimacy of state violence. It's just a given, the state exists, therefore it can kill. Military science merely talks about the details of the crime.

And check out this gem in Grossman's bio: '(understanding) the root causes of the current "virus" of violent crime that is raging around the world'. Yeah, because governments aren't responsible for the vast majority of violence in the world, it's the criminals. This guy is a joke.

 

[Adam12]

By the way, any professor of "military science" is by definition a mouthpiece for the state.

How so?

And, how did I insult civilians? There are as many of not more sheepdogs in the civilian populace as military and law enforcement.

What I don't understand is how just because you do not like someone, you can dismiss everything that person has to say. I don't even do that to you, although it would be easy to do.

 

[dmancornell]

How so?

Gee, let's look at wikipedia:

Military science is the theory, method, and practice of producing military capability in a manner consistent with national defense policy

Translation: how to serve the state's ultimate tool, the military.

 

[Adam12]

Gee, let's look at wikipedia:

Military science is the theory, method, and practice of producing military capability in a manner consistent with national defense policy

Translation: how to serve the state's ultimate tool, the military.

Selective cut and paste- nice try. Here is the rest...

Military science is also used to establish enemy capability as part of technical intelligence.

In military history, military science had been used during the period of Industrial Revolution as a general term to refer to all matters of military theory and technology application as a single academic discipline, including that of the deployment and employment of troops in peacetime or in battle.

In military education, military science is often the name of the department in the education institution that administers officer candidate education. However, this education usually focuses on the officer leadership training and basic information about employment of military theories, concepts, methods and systems, and graduates are not military scientists on completion of studies, but rather junior military officers.