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Senator Kline's reply to my e-mail on silencer use.

Discussion in 'NFA Weapon Discussion' started by Ranb, Jun 14, 2010.

  1. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    I sent Senator Kline an e-mail requesting that he allow bill 1604 to get a hearing in committee if it ever passes the House. He sent me one of the most insulting e-mails I have ever received from a Senator. It said in part;

    As he should know, commerce in silencers is already legal, even when use is banned in WA. They are not legal to sell at gun shows unless ATF approval is obtained. I'm sure he has no evidence to support his claim that they go from gun shows to the underworld.

    I wrote to Senator Sheldon asking him to straighten Mr. Kline out a bit. Since he is not one of those who replies to e-mails very much, I am not expecting a reply.

    I know some of the people here have written to Kline in the past. What did he say? Did he try to blow you off with his "silencers are illegal" crap? How did you reply? Has anyone been able to maintain any ongoing correspondence with him? Thanks.

    Ranb
     
  2. sigman

    sigman Olympia, Wa Member

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    I have sat in on 2 public hearings where he was either chairing the committe or was a member. He makes up his mind and then can't be swayed by facts. I will see if I still have his responce to a ORV bill he put together cuz his neighbors where driving their quads down the ally behind his house.
     
  3. PBinWA

    PBinWA Clark County Well-Known Member

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    Our efforts are best put into getting people like him un-elected. Find out who is running against him and work hard to support them.
     
  4. 8ball

    8ball WA Quit talkin' and start chalking!

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    That's crazy Ranb.

    Kline was first elected to the 37th district (Cap Hill, Rainier Beach and Renton) in 1997, and his only challenger for 2010 withdrew recently. In 2006, he got 90% of the vote, so waiting for someone new is out of the question.

    I did found this choice quote on the Stranger in a hit piece on him:

    "He is considered a very ineffective legislator," says one former legislator who watches state politics closely. Kline's notoriously bad temper has alienated fellow Democrats and renders him incapable of striking deals with conservatives around the state, the former legislator says.

    According to several current legislators and nonprofit leaders who have worked with Kline on legislation, his committee meetings routinely disintegrate into chaos, with senators talking and sometimes yelling over one another. Routinely, they say, Kline holds hearings on bills without first notifying stakeholders.
     
  5. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    He is definitely the wrong guy to have as chairman of the Judiciary committee. I wonder how he keeps that seat. Is he voted in by the Senate each year or is it hereditary? :) / :((

    Ranb
     
  6. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    The 37th... Capital Hill, Rainier Beach and Renton. What a lovely area. I can't think of a nicer place in Washington to vacation short of possibly Hilltop in Tacoma. Kline is a product of his district. Might as well give him a for life appointment.
     
  7. Oro

    Oro Western WA Active Member

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    You are lucky he was passingly polite, if ignorant, to you. I had to communicate with him in the past on legislation in another area. He became verbally abusive and profane to me for having simply advocated a different approach (topic was tort reform).

    He's a terrible legislator and a poor human being on top of it. How he gets re-elected is baffling. Any Democrat with 1/2 a brain could defeat him easily; doesn't have to be a Republican.
     
  8. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Thanks. But I do not think he was showing ignorance. There was a silencer bill in the Senate years ago. He knows what he is saying is false.

    Ranb
     
  9. dr drae

    dr drae Seattle Member

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    What is his email address?
    Do you mind posting the entire email (yours + his full reply)?
     
  10. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    His email is Kline.Adam@leg.wa.gov . I do not post e-mails and other personal messages in full unless I have permission from the sender. I did not ask permission from Mr. Kline to post his email on the net and since he is unlikely to respond to my last email to him, he is unlikely to grant permission.

    My email to Kline was as follows;
    You can find anyone in Olympia from these links http://access.wa.gov/ http://access.wa.gov/government/index.aspx http://access.wa.gov/government/state_legislature.aspx

    Ranb
     
  11. sigman

    sigman Olympia, Wa Member

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    I have sent him an e-mail in the past on a engine displacment tax we wanted to impose. I explained how me and my SAR unit use our big 4x4 to recover Police and Fire units from ditches, and transport Doctors and Nurses to the hospitals on snow days out of our own pocket and the his displacment tax would shut down volunteer SAR units like mine. He never even responded. I should have asked if his Pruis would get a fully loaded fire truck out of a snowy ditch in Capitol Forest.
     
  12. HalfNutz

    HalfNutz Kirkland (Juanita) Member

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    Senator Kline is a complete nutjob. I've had dealings with him regarding ORV use and he is a militant ignoramus. I wouldn't waste my time with him.... lost cause.

    We'd all be better served if he just stepped in front of a bus.
     
  13. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Without Kline on board, we will never be able to use silencers legally in WA. Or do you have any better ideas? Even the ranking minority Judiciary member refuses to do anything about Kline because he is a coward.

    Ranb
     
  14. LibertyorDeath

    LibertyorDeath Western Washington Member

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    Why bother. The only people that use silencers are the Mafia, and only for hits.

    Seriously, we need to think of a reason the liberalize the use of silencers. Or even Maybe so the birds don't get scared when those poor helpless gang bangers shoot up Capitol Hill. Or something like that.

    Maybe proposing a law that allows us to use them but makes the penalty for using them in a crime horribly severe would work.
     
  15. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Will not matter. The feds already have a 25 to life sentence for using them in violent crimes.

    Ranb
     
  16. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    Feds are feds, states are states. It could certainly matter for a lot of reps - a provision like that in a silencer bill may well be the "spoonful of sugar that makes the medicine go down" for reps concerned about a backlash from anti-gun voters.


    If you haven't done this yet, sitting down and brainstorming about your strategy with an experienced lobbyist would be a very good investment of time (and likely money).
     
  17. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Know any lobbyists? The only I know is one of the WAC officers and he declined to get involved. This is a symptom of why this law is still on the books. Hardly any gun owners actually care enough to even write a letter or let their Representatives blow them off.

    Ranb
     
  18. ZachS

    ZachS Eugene/PDX Active Member

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    A few names came up when I googled "Olympia lobbying firm," but if I were you I'd call around to some other conservative organizations besides WAC and see who they use/recommend. Lots of folks do it for a living...
     
  19. Ranb

    Ranb Belfair, WA Active Member

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    Thanks.
     
  20. m1gunr

    m1gunr Tacoma Member

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    Kline is the @sshat who tried to introduce the Weapons Ban last year and got his butt kicked by Pam Roach and her supporters.

    See the bill info here and the folks who supported it: So called assault weapons ban proposed in WA - SB-6396

    Pam Roach is who you want on your side for this......Sen. Pam Roach, R-Auburn, said she is mobilizing with other lawmakers against the bill. Since it was announced, her office has received more than 1,000 e-mails asking the Senate to defeat it, Roach said. "We're going to do everything we can to make sure (Kline) doesn't diminish the Second Amendment right," she said.
    Local News | Assault weapons ban likely to fail | Seattle Times Newspaper