- Messages
- 139
- Reactions
- 284
Thanks Etrian! That sounds like it would be worth the short drive over there.
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Thanks Etrian! That sounds like it would be worth the short drive over there.
(I would have to scratch my head for a minute but including NFA stuff I would say I bought close to 20 "firearms" in 2015 although many where suppressors and one a SBR)
Isnt keeping the FFL transfer a form of registration? How long are FFL required to keep these records.
The OSP has been very tight lipped on confirming how long they keep information and policy is up to them not any law. So if they decide tomorrow to keep them 100 years they could as no law prevents it.
to clarify this ORS 166.412(7)(a), Oregon's Firearm Instant Criminal check System (FICS) law, requires Oregon to destroy the 4473 form after 5 years. The federal National Instant Criminal Check System (NICS) law requires the government to destroy the 4473 form by the next business day. FFL dealers are required to keep a record for 20 years for each sale. If during that time the FFL closes or otherwise goes out of business he is required to turn over all records to the federal government.
Sorry, I dont have any links/sources on the NICS or FFL side but there is an interesting article about it in detail here.
Anyways, now how all that correlates to a registration scheme is up to you and how much you trust the govt is abiding by the laws. Keep in mind there is no accountability and no law preventing backups from being kept but "technically" speaking none of the guns sold in America are registered but there is a paper trail for up to 20 years... indefinitely if the FFL closed shop.
What ever happened to "I will not comply?" Just curious, seems like so much talk...
"But... but... background checks aren't registration!"
Good thing I'm good with a polymer 80% and a Dremel
Anyways, I used to own some guns, but they were lost in a canoe crossing of the Columbia river.
What ever happened to "I will not comply?" Just curious, seems like so much talk...
Anyways, now how all that correlates to a registration scheme is up to you and how much you trust the govt is abiding by the laws. Keep in mind there is no accountability and no law preventing backups from being kept but "technically" speaking none of the guns sold in America are registered but there is a paper trail for up to 20 years... indefinitely if the FFL closed shop.
correct, there is zero accountability not even a law how to store and destroy the records.I agree thats what it says, however OSP doesn't confirm that they do that. There is obviously no penalty to the OSP if they do just like Prozanski did abusing emergency safety passing of SB941 nothing came out of this and was abuse and misuse of the system. There have been cases that did come up showing that indeed records still existed after they were or should have been destroyed.
"But... but... background checks aren't registration!"
Good thing I'm good with a polymer 80% and a Dremel
Anyways, I used to own some guns, but they were lost in a canoe crossing of the Columbia river.
What ever happened to "I will not comply?" Just curious, seems like so much talk...
Good reference material.First rule of fight club....
I agree to a point.
I think getting on the internet and stating the law is meaningless, does not do what it was sold to do and is not enforced anyway is just as effective as saying "I will not comply"
What about this?
I would argue that prior the the passage of the law it was real common for a seller to require a CHL or CPL when no law required them to do so. The fact that many sellers now state that they wish to use a FFL for a transfer in accordance with the "law" may not be a good indication of compliance but just a progression of the same old practice.