Seeds of an idea

[Knobgoblin]

I am not anything special. Just a guy with a job. A guy with a job who doesn't see the point in going to work, and paying taxes right now. Not when those tax dollars are getting aimed right back at destroying my rights.
This idea will never work.
As people, we are individuals who don't like joining, don't like following, and are generally skeptical of everything.
If we could come together occasionally and show unity in a focused effort, it would be impossible to ignore. The "flashlight at 6pm" guy took his ribbing yesterday and others will too this year.
Ideas not our own are rarely valued.

If every gun owner, or freedom loving non owner, left work at noon on June 30th...well by the 4th of July we'd all be having a serious conversation about it.
What's "it" ? It is the fact that most of the weight in this country is pulled by people with our values. People who don't want government handouts, people who work hard and just wish to be left alone. People like you.
My idea is just an idea.
And it will never work.

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[cigars]

My idea is just an idea.
And it will never work.

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison, George S. Patton....John Browning.

What if they all said that?

 

[Sandaholic]

Be better if everyone who believes in the United States of America
The Constitution
The Bill of Rights
Male's and Female's
Sanity

If all of those people decided to prepare and pick a point some day in the future and all stay home for 2 weeks. 2 weeks to halt the spread of commie retardation. I think that might have an effect.

Then if we could all start banking together we'd really gain some traction. Actually I have no doubt they would try to start a physical purge on us immediately if we did any of the above.

We'd also need our own server farms. <<< Not sure how we'd get around that one?

 

[mhayd93]

I think you touch upon a broader issue among all Conservatives, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, etc...There is an inherent value placed on the preservation of personal liberties and the ability to think and act freely. Likewise, there is an inherent respect for the institutions and traditional processes of government.

When you combine all of those values, you get a group of people who are much more likely have internal conflict or disagreements; their adherence to core principles being so strong that they will not blindly act/vote in lockstep according to a political party or leader's urging.

The modern day Democrats (specifically Progressive Liberals) are not without their disagreements and differences; but when push comes to shove, they swarm back to the hive in near total unity to maintain their power and overarching goals.

 

[Knobgoblin]

I think you touch upon a broader issue among all Conservatives, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, etc...There is an inherent value placed on the preservation of personal liberties and the ability to think and act freely. Likewise, there is an inherent respect for the institutions and traditional processes of government.

When you combine all of those values, you get a group of people who are much more likely have internal conflict or disagreements; their adherence to core principles being so strong that they will not blindly act/vote in lockstep according to a political party or leader's urging.

The modern day Democrats (specifically Progressive Liberals) are not without their disagreements and differences; but when push comes to shove, they swarm back to the hive in near total unity to maintain their power and overarching goals.

There greatest super power, the herd mentality.

 

[No_Regerts]

Thread re-opened. Thanks for keeping the OP all-inclusive by addressing gun owners, not any one party.

 

[The Resister]

I think you touch upon a broader issue among all Conservatives, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, etc...There is an inherent value placed on the preservation of personal liberties and the ability to think and act freely. Likewise, there is an inherent respect for the institutions and traditional processes of government.

When you combine all of those values, you get a group of people who are much more likely have internal conflict or disagreements; their adherence to core principles being so strong that they will not blindly act/vote in lockstep according to a political party or leader's urging.

The modern day Democrats (specifically Progressive Liberals) are not without their disagreements and differences; but when push comes to shove, they swarm back to the hive in near total unity to maintain their power and overarching goals.

There is an idea that is favorable to gun owners and welcomes everybody that would agree with the core principles. We can talk about what we are against and the evils being perpetrated by an illegitimate government; curse the powers that be; join parties, organizations and complain on social media. But, what if you had a chance to really DO something significant? Historical changes never came by way of the masses. Jesus impacted the world with a mere twelve apostles. The Declaration of Independence had only 56 signers. And, on the flip side of the coin, evil ideologies did not have mass appeal. Hitler started out with a few people sitting in a pub and almost destroyed the world with a country about the size of Texas. It only goes to show, it's not the size of the man in the fight. It's the size of the fight in the man.

The liberals are strong because they are united. I'm not one for labels. But, I do believe in principles. Here is the first step you have to take. I could reinvent the wheel and copy / paste this, but find it unnecessary. Just check out the link and ponder the message. It may be the most important three minutes you can invest:

The Charter | Libertarian's Forum (freeforums.net)

Don't let the "Libertarian" fool you. It was not written by a Libertarian.

 

[E4mafia]

Ok, just say you are feeling sick and think it's covid. BOOM. There's the 2 weeks ya need off work to do whatever.

Pretty sure most if not all jobs do this out of abundance of safety along with other corporate policy etc etc. Bonus points: jobs cannot inquire you provide proof of covid testing as that is protected by HIPAA. We had some here have covid scares at my work but not once could they require an employee provide proof of being or that they got a test. Only if you say you did and if you WILLINGLY share that info can they acquire it. Trust me my boss was up in arms over how employees could abuse this system without providing proof and there being nothing they could do about. GREY AREA!!!!

Unless of course I think you try to claim compensation then they may need a doctor note covering a time period so they know when to pay. Also have fun watching mental gymnastics over people trying to 180 on you taking precautions over covid and how you are just doing your part.

 

[OldTengu]

Not really a fan of his these days, but Chris Titus had a bit like that.
What if we all, collectively, just stopped what we were doing one day, for just a couple of hours? The chaos it would cause would not go unnoticed. And we would let the folks in charge know that next time, it's a week. And in that week, if they didn't pull it together, we're not going back to the same system. We're just going to be for ourselves.

 

[Knobgoblin]

Ok, just say you are feeling sick and think it's covid. BOOM. There's the 2 weeks ya need off work to do whatever.

Pretty sure most if not all jobs do this out of abundance of safety along with other corporate policy etc etc.

I'm talking about a coordinated walk off , nationwide, at a strategic time . Specifically to let everyone in the country know who they're stepping on with this continued erosion of fundamental rights.
My uneducated views of those who trample my rights are 2 groups. First is small . The wealthy elitist social manipulators who hold the reins. Second are the masses of short sighted sheep who's allegiance can be easily bought with bloated relief packages, welfare, free cellphones, minimum wage hikes, and the overarching lie that safety and security for all is just one more law away .
Without the actual work , and tax dollars, from most of our type, the gravy train could be derailed.
Their base is a foundation of sand.

 

[E4mafia]

Good luck on the quest then.

 

[NW Backpacker]

An idea worth trying perhaps, but would probably need to be for longer than 2 weeks. They've been telling us to do what you say (stay home, collect govt checks) for the past 10 months, if they could have forced us to do it, they would have. They WANT our system to fail. It's capitalism and freedom - that's bad - they want to CONTROL you. Socialism/communism and government control is good in their minds. I think global warming is one of the main drivers - they actually believe the world will end in 12 years as proclaimed by AOC (if we don't radically change our economic system). I read their comments over at realclimate.org - these folks are playing for real. They are GOING to control you if they have any say in it. It's already started.

 

[Xrperry]

Nationwide gun owner walk off, I like it. No tax money coming in, no tax money wasted. It would have to be well organized and all of us ( gun owners) would have to participate.

 

[E4mafia]

So what's the plan when everyone who supports the 2A walks off their jobs in unison, the media picks it up and spins it as some "far right-wing extremist" movement, demonizing gun owners further, then decides to replace you at said job with someone who will do it for less and then you're branded a "nazi".

Tell me this isn't a real situation that could happen? Does anyone else remember at the initial outbreak of covid when the workers tried to strike from Amazon over policy regarding unsafe working conditions and bad pay were made a mockery when only a handful committed.

I like the plan about sticking it to the man but you'd have to be certain beyond any doubt all peoole, not some facebook groups, would actually 100% commit to being branded and jobless they would not flake out or backstab you. Can you gaurantee this?.

Not mocking I am just asking a real question here in light of current events.

 

[Kyrsen]

Civil Disobedience by Henry David Thoreau

xroads.virginia.edu

Just a little on topic reading material for those who haven't already perused it...

 

[Knobgoblin]

I'm not worried about the bloated, pajamas at 3 in the afternoon, welfare people doing my job. It's not exactly xbox on the couch if you know what I mean.

 

[E4mafia]

Ok so you have no plan.

I can't tell if there is some concerted troll effort to get people to "trust the plan" type style with two more weeks always repeating or if its some operation to smoke out idiots.

 

[Knobgoblin]

So what's the plan when everyone who supports the 2A walks off their jobs in unison, the media picks it up and spins it as some "far right-wing extremist" movement, demonizing gun owners further, then decides to replace you at said job with someone who will do it for less and then you're branded a "nazi".

Tell me this isn't a real situation that could happen? Does anyone else remember at the initial outbreak of covid when the workers tried to strike from Amazon over policy regarding unsafe working conditions and bad pay were made a mockery when only a handful committed.

I like the plan about sticking it to the man but you'd have to be certain beyond any doubt all peoole, not some facebook groups, would actually 100% commit to being branded and jobless they would not flake out or backstab you. Can you gaurantee this?.

Not mocking I am just asking a real question here in light of current events.

It's almost impossible to get full commitment in a group of individuals. This idea is only an idea. But maybe if we're pushed far enough, some people will band together for the moment.

 

[Xrperry]

So what's the plan when everyone who supports the 2A walks off their jobs in unison, the media picks it up and spins it as some "far right-wing extremist" movement, demonizing gun owners further, then decides to replace you at said job with someone who will do it for less and then you're branded a "nazi".

Tell me this isn't a real situation that could happen? Does anyone else remember at the initial outbreak of covid when the workers tried to strike from Amazon over policy regarding unsafe working conditions and bad pay were made a mockery when only a handful committed.

I like the plan about sticking it to the man but you'd have to be certain beyond any doubt all peoole, not some facebook groups, would actually 100% commit to being branded and jobless they would not flake out or backstab you. Can you gaurantee this?.

Not mocking I am just asking a real question here in light of current events.

So what's the plan when everyone who supports the 2A walks off their jobs in unison, the media picks it up and spins it as some "far right-wing extremist" movement, demonizing gun owners further, then decides to replace you at said job with someone who will do it for less and then you're branded a "nazi".

Tell me this isn't a real situation that could happen? Does anyone else remember at the initial outbreak of covid when the workers tried to strike from Amazon over policy regarding unsafe working conditions and bad pay were made a mockery when only a handful committed.

I like the plan about sticking it to the man but you'd have to be certain beyond any doubt all peoole, not some facebook groups, would actually 100% commit to being branded and jobless they would not flake out or backstab you. Can you gaurantee this?.

Not mocking I am just asking a real question here in light of current events.

Can't be political here, gun owners = anyone not happy with current establishment

 

[Knobgoblin]

Ok so you have no plan.

I can't tell if there is some concerted troll effort to get people to "trust the plan" type style with two more weeks always repeating or if its some operation to smoke out idiots.

No plan. I'm just sick of watching t bones and lobster tails go to the trailer park. I don't want to see my rights get washed away so a random idiot can "feel safe", oblivious to the fact that they aren't any safer than they were the day they were born. I can't just keep going to work and paying my taxes, when those taxes are going to be spent on destroying my freedoms.