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School handout- after Clackamas TC- how to respond

Discussion in 'General Firearm Discussion' started by markpeters1970, Dec 12, 2012.

  1. markpeters1970

    markpeters1970 PNW Active Member

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    Just recieved an e-mail that is circulating around the schools in Wilsonville citing guidelines from the National Association of School Psychologists. Document was fine however, not sure if/how to respond to this point;

    Suggested Points to Emphasize When
    Talking to Children:

    Stay away from guns and other weapons. Tell an adult if
    you know someone has a gun. Access to guns is one of
    the leading risk factors for deadly violence

    I want to keep it logical, however, I do not think the bold information is correct?
  2. Boomerang

    Boomerang Portland area Active Member

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    To keep it logical, first we have to define "risk factor for deadly violence". What exactly do they mean by that?
  3. cueball1214

    cueball1214 Beaverton Active Member

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    Not sure what they mean.... could also write sitting in a car is the biggest risk factor for a deadly car crash.
  4. Botte Hork

    Botte Hork Camas WA Well-Known Member

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    Scary sounding yet vague and open to interpretation terminology is usually the first step to steering towards some form of control or another.
  5. 1stIDFMP

    1stIDFMP North of Salem, south of Portland Active Member

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    I'm thinking access to drugs is the leading risk factors for drug use.......... :funnypoint:
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  6. Mason3379

    Mason3379 Oregon City Active Member

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    Indoctrination of the children....Isn't that straight out of Hitlers play book? We DO NOT need to examine what they mean, we are all adults. Pretty clear what it means...
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  7. hermannr

    hermannr Okanogan Highlands Well-Known Member

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    I don't like it...the implication is the gun can do something on it's own, which is totally wrong. Indoctrination is what this is.
  8. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    bubblegum that bubblegum.
    People better call the school district out on that rhetoric.
    And if they dare teach that to my kids that's a whole other story. The courts will be involved at that point.
    Hitler did the same thing, telling kids to report their parents if they have firearms because the kids think they're helping.. Easy way to start registration but under the radar. Scary.
  9. Don H

    Don H Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I just found this document (free pdf) called 'Gun Facts' available at Gun Facts - Gun Control | Facts | Debunk | Myths

    Looks very well sourced. For example,

    EDIT: Checkout the section entitled 'THE AVAILABILITY OF GUNS' for some excellent graphs and statistics.
  10. longcolt

    longcolt Zephyrhills, FL Active Member

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    I like the idea of teaching children about guns and why it is necessary to respect them. I also am a big fan of controlling those weapons when there are underage children in the home and will keep the guns locked up in my gun safe. I the parent will teach my child how to shoot and about gun safety and I will always be there to supervise when the gun or guns are out of the safe.

    It would be nice if the schools would do the same but they won't since guns are now big scary pieces of evil metal to teachers and school admin types. No question children are being indoctrinated about guns and lots of other untruths to advance an agenda of control.
  11. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Just a few years ago my neighbors 10yr old son was suspended and eventually had to be evaluated and change schools because he pointed his finger like a pistol in play! I wish common sense was injectable.
  12. SturgeonSlayer

    SturgeonSlayer St.Helens Active Member

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    If they wish to have firearm education back in public schools, im for it, providing its done by a educated firearms instructor. Im sure some of you are old enough to remember the shooting range that was at the Hillsboro hi school and the shooting teams a lot of the public schools used to have. no better education than hands on...
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  13. RBid

    RBid Wilsonville, OR Well-Known Member

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    The 'risk factor' term is a nod to risk analysis- attempting to calculate the probability that someone will behave in a particular way.

    It's evident how they made the bolded conclusion. 66% of homicides are committed with handguns. If you draw from that statistic, you can say "2/3 of murderers had access to firearms".

    Conversely, if you pull from the CHL holder pool, you see that these pools are a lesser risk than the pool that is left when they are excluded. IE, you are FAR more likely to be victimized by somebody who does not have a CHL than you are to be victimized by somebody who has one.

    Statistics are fun.

    A proper risk analysis would account for people whose characteristics or behaviors place them in groups which trend strongly away from the key behavior.