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SB 700 Anti gay?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by OLDNEWBIE, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    Unless I'm missing something about domestic partners or same sex partners.
    Are they assuming Gays don't have firearms to pass on or don't they trust them without background checks including mental evaluation!! They are homophobic biggots or a bit stupid. Just another example of a rush to restrict guns without doing due dilligence on the Bills they create.



    SB 700

    This bill outlaws most private transfers. The original bill exempts “immediate family” without defining the term. The “gut and stuff” amended version allows transfers between:

    “(A) The person’s spouse;

    “(B) The person’s parent;

    “(C) The person’s child;

    “(D) The person’s sibling;

    “(E) The person’s grandparent;

    “(F) The person’s grandchild; or

    “(G) The spouse of a person specified in subparagraphs (B) to (F)

    of this paragraph.

    The amended version defines transfer as “the sale, gift or lease of a firearm.”
     
  2. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    Well, it is anti-civil union at the very least. Though, not sure if someone with a civil union can legal use the label of 'spouse.' Though the supreme court may be deciding this question right now.

    Interesting catch though.
     
  3. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    Senate Bill 796 – Requires that an individual applying for a Concealed Handgun License must first “pass” a comprehensive firing range test.

    This one coud be anti-elderly or anti-disabled. Motor skills and eyesight diminish with age and firing while wheelchair bound or limited use of hands? This could slow a person down if timed.
     
  4. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    So that one may violate the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990.

    So far we have two 'liberal agenda' items being broken by these anti-gun measures. Interesting.
     
  5. Botte Hork

    Botte Hork Camas WA Well-Known Member

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    No, they're making it SAFER for the elderly and disabled by keeping guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens. Or something like that.
     
  6. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    Well, that and the UN gun treaty wants to disarm anyone over the age of 55, since we are "dangerous" and all...
     
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  7. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    Let's not lose sight of the real purpose behind SB700. "Computer glitches" will become common so that sales between individuals cannot take place. Then there is the issue or registration. Notice that the language is now "must retain" gun and purchaser information by the State Police.

    UBC is only the tip of the iceberg on this one.
     
  8. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    So, is there any funding associated with SB 700? Just from a financial impact how will we even pay for this bill? If, as they say, 60% of all gun purchases are done person to person, how will the current system even scale to take the increased volume required to process these background checks?
     
  9. PiratePast40

    PiratePast40 Willamette Valley Well-Known Member

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    The person performing the check will pay for it and pass the cost on to the purchaser.
     
  10. CharonPDX

    CharonPDX Portland, OR Active Member

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    Interesting points regarding civil unions and the disabled/elderly - I'll have to add those arguments to my standard letters to lawmakers...
     
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  11. tiggers97

    tiggers97 United States Well-Known Member

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    Lol I had to laugh. Good point. They would probably be tripping over each other to be the first to add the language or they won't be showing themselves as "evolved". Fight them with their own weapons till the cracks make them fall apart.
     
  12. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Some of us don't want to be "evolved". I like some things just the way they are.
     
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  13. Father of four

    Father of four Portland, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Go ahead and call me homophobic, biggot, stupid or unevloved because I do not agree with gayness. Owning firearms, yes.
     
  14. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    When it comes to gun rights I'm with them 100%. And It's the idiots in Salem I was sarcasticly calling homophobic. Of course they omitted gays from family tranfers because they rushed this bill through. I wish our gun owning gays would get ticked off enough to protest because the libs listen to them!



    Pink Pistols National Condemns tacit “Denying Gun Rights To Gays Act”, S. 374.







    Submitted by admin on Wed, 03/13/2013 - 10:52





    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

    Pink Pistols National Condemns tacit “Denying Gun Rights To Gays Act”, S. 374.

    Philadelphia, PA (PP National), Philadelphia, PA. Upon reading certain key phrases in the Senate’s bill S. 374, entitled in short the ‘‘Fix Gun Checks Act of 2013’’, Pink Pistols National finds that this bill would function to deny members of the sexual-minority community their natural right to keep and bear arms in an unjust and unconstitutional fashion. “The United States Government,” says First Speaker Gwendolyn S. Patton, “continues to deny married members of the GLBT community via the Defense of Marriage Act. Regardless of the fact that President Obama has instructed the Justice Department not to enforce DOMA directly, indirectly, this law will prevent GLBT persons from protections enjoyed by Federally-recognized spouses.”

    In S.374, certain language would treat the absence of a gun-owning gay or lesbian person’s partner for a period greater than seven days as a transfer of firearms left behind in the home. As this “transfer” is not done by a Federal Firearms Licensee with a proper background check, it would be considered to be an unlawful transfer, converting the law-abiding gay persons into instant felons. Spouses, however, are exempt from this automatic felony, since one spouse can lend or give a firearm to another without a background check. But under DOMA, the Federal government does not recognize GLBT persons legally married under State laws as spouses, therefore would still be considered illegal transferees under S.374.

    The Pink Pistols filed an amicus brief in the SCOTUS case of DC v. Heller back in 2008. A key point of that brief regarded the inability at that time, for GLBT persons to serve openly in the military. The point was that, if the right to bear arms was solely the purview of a government-run militia, military service, the restriction against GLBT persons in the military would effectively deny GLBT persons their Constitutional rights. Pink Pistols National feels that the similar restrictions based upon marital status, due to DOMA blocking recognition of State-level GLBT marriages, is an unconstitutional restriction of the rights of free citizens, and exemplar of the lack of equal treatment under the law for persons in sexual minorities.

    “DOMA must go,” says Patton. “That is undeniable. It is not the business of the Federal government to be dictating who may and may not marry, much less what actually constitutes a marriage. But neither is this background-check law a good idea. It is little more than a scheme to convert law-abiding citizens into criminals for the purpose of confiscating their guns and destroying their rights. S.374 should be defeated soundly for the tyranny it represents.”

    Pink Pistols National condemns S.374 and urges all persons of conscience to contact their Senators and discuss this important issue. We ask our members to act as their consciences dictate with regard to speaking with those who represent them in the Federal government.

    The Pink Pistols is the largest organization in the world dedicated to the idea of lawful, armed self-defense of the sexual minority community.

    Pink Pistols National
    Gwendolyn S. Patton, First Speaker
    firstspeaker@pinkpistols.org
    Pink Pistols National | Pick On Someone Your Own Caliber

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    Pennsylvania's Gays with Guns - YouTube
     
  15. OLDNEWBIE

    OLDNEWBIE State of Flux Well-Known Member

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    Double Entendres and the Second Amendment | Queer | Portland Mercury

    O.K. Why aren't these people in the news and protesting against their liberal buddies in Salem? As I've said before gun rights Know no party affiliation and trump all other social issues. These people have CLOUT with the Burdicks and the like. Why are they "in the closet" on this one?

    Feel free to use this as a headline any pro-gun newsmen reading this post! Why are gays in the closet on gun rights?
     
  16. civilian75

    civilian75 Hillsboro, OR Well-Known Member

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    Excellent question. The 2nd amendment should a darling to the pro-gun LGBT, who are often targets of hate crime. This is a rare opportunity to find common ground between them and the typical conservative pro-gunners. If we could try to keep our "dislike" for the gay lifestyle at bay, we could for once reach common ground with Pink Gun crowd. Adopting the "hate the sin, love the sinner" point of view, could help in this case.

    EDIT: I tried to post a comment on the article, but comments were closed. Bummer.
     
  17. GuyBMeredith

    GuyBMeredith Salem, Oregon Active Member

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    I suppose that gays, like blacks, too often live "on the Progressive plantation". I can tell you war stories in dealing with that while living in the SF Bay area. On the other hand, I can also say that the last lady to ask me to take her to the range and led to purchase of a firearm was a good lesbian friend.
     
  18. CharonPDX

    CharonPDX Portland, OR Active Member

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    I know a couple as-liberal-as-it-gets LGBT folks who have quit the Democratic Party over the recent anti-gun moves of some Democratic lawmakers. Including one in reasonably prominent positions in the Democratic Party.
     
  19. DMax

    DMax Yamhill Well-Known Member

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    How about getting them to help us defeat the left on 2A
     
  20. Suge206

    Suge206 Seattle Active Member

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    what were you and gayness argueing about?