Oregon SB 348 gutted and stuffed to rewrite Measure 114 3/34/23

[ilikegunspdx]

What' im seeing here, this is an end run around the current court proceedings of 114, the dims know full well that the 9th WILL be forced to strike down much if not ALL of 114, so they are hedging, they also know Judge Raschio will likely strike it all down at the state level, so this is round two of their draconian push ahead despite the landscape after Bruen! What will be telling is AFTER we get Rashio's ruling and the Fed Ruling which will likely go to the 9th on appeal, (which dosn't look very good for them, ) so they need a back up plan, and this is that plan! And don't think Kotex won't jump in with both feet and pull some nasty midnight antics of her own, just to stir things up that much more!

I also think it's a strategy of endless and continuing passage of gun laws that they know full well will be struck down. There is a time lag in the courts until they are struck down and every year they can just keep passing new unconstitutional laws.

The laws are "temporary" because they will be struck down but when you string one after another together they are in effect "permanent". A cycle of temporary unconstitutional laws that adds up to a "permanent" ban and endless tax dollars spent in courts. That's the path they are trying now Imo, and IMO they will do so until that strategy is shut down (don't know how that will happen).

 

[PiratePast40]

You're first assuming they know how to read.

Any idea how soon this thing could take effect?

The emergency clause is attached so, if it passes, it goes into effect as soon as its signed by the governor.

 

[Ura-Ki]

I also think it's a strategy of endless and continuing passage of gun laws that they know full well will be struck down. There is a time lag in the courts until they are struck down and every year they can just keep passing new unconstitutional laws.

The laws are "temporary" because they will be struck down but when you string one after another together they are in effect "permanent". A cycle of temporary unconstitutional laws that adds up to a "permanent" ban and endless tax dollars spent in courts. That's the path they are trying now Imo, and IMO they will do so until that strategy is shut down (don't know how that will happen).

Agreed, throw enough Sh!t at the walls, some of it is gonna stick, at least for a time, which accomplishes their goals, maybe more slowly then they would like, but the end results are the same!

At some point, they will run out of things to try and pass, and at some point the epic smackdowns from the courts will cause enough of a bad taste that maybe they will focus on other more important matters of state, but until then, were stuck with the politicians we got! We really need to do a better job of electing good people to represent us, and we need to get more active, more involved in that process, we almost broke their strangle hold un us, maybe the next time we will do a better job and not have to deal with near as much of this bullsh!t they keep pushing down our throats!

 

[rurallife]

There are about 27,000 schools in the US. For $27 Billion Congress can give every school $1 Million to harden access points and train staff in combat shooting or hire security. This is easy and cheaper than most things they do. It is how Israel dealt with terror attacks on schoolchildren and Israel has had only a few incidents since 1974. Our political leaders seem to say "give up your self protection or you want children to die". But they could bypass the political problems by securing schools like Israel does.

At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $182 billion to cover the costs incurred from the presence of more than 15.5 million illegal aliens, and about 5.4 million citizen children of illegal aliens. But they can't afford to harden schools. The one solution to school shootings that if implemented correctly, would 100% stop school shootings.

 

[Librarian]

The emergency clause is attached so, if it passes, it goes into effect as soon as its signed by the governor.

Right.

Legislative session is over June 25, so if this gets to the governor, on or before June 25.

 

[jackrv]

Funny to me that assisted suicide is legal in Oregon, yet they act all concerned about suicides. I certainly hope someone brings that up in one of these pointless meetings.

Plus, they just made it easier for people to come from out of state and get suicided without a residency requirement.

Jack

 

[PiratePast40]

Plus, they just made it easier for people to come from out of state and get suicided without a residency requirement.

Jack

Bizarre isn't it!

 

[bikemutt]

Something about this word in the context of a right is incompatible.....
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Also a fish, if something smells fishy, it's probably a fish...

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: either of two pompanos (Trachinotus falcatus and T. goodei) that are important game fishes of temperate to tropical waters of the western Atlantic

 

[Barefootdog]

Doesn't the emergency clause also restrict initiative petition to put it on the ballot for voters to override?

Emergency clause is used/over used. Maybe its time to restrict the states ability to misuse the emergency clause as a default position to defeat voter oversight of their actions.

 

[arakboss]

Doesn't the emergency clause also restrict initiative petition to put it on the ballot for voters to override?

Emergency clause is used/over used. Maybe its time to restrict the states ability to misuse the emergency clause as a default position to defeat voter oversight of their actions.

I believe you are correct.

 

[Unka-Boo]

Doesn't the emergency clause also restrict initiative petition to put it on the ballot for voters to override?

Emergency clause is used/over used. Maybe its time to restrict the states ability to misuse the emergency clause as a default position to defeat voter oversight of their actions.

Tried that a couple of cycles ago, it failed.
Completely agree though, it is overly abused.

 

[PiratePast40]

Work session on 348 was delayed and put off until Monday 4/3.

 

[Leslie Shaw]

Following local custom and making a new thread ...

From OFF


Appears to be the 65-page product of the Floyd the Robot.

In the .pdf, BOLD is added. [bracket italic is deleted], plain text is existing law.

Quick look ...

Raises the fee for permits from $65 to $150 (renewal, $50 to $110)

Moves the permit requirement date to July 1 2024

Adds a 72 hour wait required between approval of background check and delivery

Makes the magazine ban effective December 8 2022

Here's an interesting bit ...


Part (a) gets deleted for July 1, 2026.

And of course, this is an 'emergency', so the act would take effect on passage.

We attended Monday and listened to panel. The pro gun folks were out numbered . The Rabbi of the group lift every voice -said he represented Hunters, which gave a little bit of a laugh from the crowd. When asked after the information of who and what hunters. He walked off. I had on OHA jacket and hat. He probably thought it. It meant Oregon Housing Authority with big dears on it. Floyd wouldn't answer after the meeting.

 

[PiratePast40]

You can submit testimony on the dash 2 amendment on 348 for the work session Monday 4/3 at 1pm. https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2023R1/Testimony/SJUD

Here's the -2 amendment. Just released a few minutes ago.

Link for the meeting is on this page. Most likely result is forward to the floor with a "do pass" recommendation with subsequent referral to ways and means.

 

[solv3nt]

You can submit testimony on the dash 2 amendment on 348 for the work session Monday 4/3 at 1pm. https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2023R1/Testimony/SJUD

Here's the -2 amendment. Just released a few minutes ago.

Link for the meeting is on this page. Most likely result is forward to the floor with a "do pass" recommendation with subsequent referral to ways and means.

Looks like they threw concealed carry permit people a bone.

 

[Unka-Boo]

You can submit testimony on the dash 2 amendment on 348 for the work session Monday 4/3 at 1pm. https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2023R1/Testimony/SJUD

Here's the -2 amendment. Just released a few minutes ago.

Link for the meeting is on this page. Most likely result is forward to the floor with a "do pass" recommendation with subsequent referral to ways and means.

Quickly skimmed, but it looks like if you have a valid CHL, that covers training and BGC needs?

 

[solv3nt]

Quickly skimmed, but it looks like if you have a valid CHL, that covers training and BGC needs?

bubblegums don't let it cover the permit to purchase.

 

[PiratePast40]

Quickly skimmed, but it looks like if you have a valid CHL, that covers training and BGC needs?

Don't have time to go through it right now, but will the suicide prevention provisions need to be added to CHL training?

 

[solv3nt]

Don't have time to go through it right now, but will the suicide prevention provisions need to be added to CHL training?

I didn't see anything on that.

 

[PiratePast40]

Found out this was an amendment by David Brock Smith. They won't even consider it.

The idea is to punish gun owners, not do anything reasonable.