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Saiga-22

Discussion in 'Rifle Discussion' started by trainsktg, Dec 3, 2010.

  1. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    Mentioned on a national board, these rifles are supposedly en route to the US for distribution through RAA.

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    Keith
     
  2. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Those look pretty good, guess they save money on machining of the bolt, carrier, piston, etc.
     
  3. numbnutz

    numbnutz molalla Active Member

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    I just saw one these on outdoorstrader a few days ago but it had the wood furniture instead. They look like they could be fun. I wonder how reliable they though?
     
  4. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    10 round capacity.... boring
    10 round capacity in a magazine size that was developed to hold 30 much larger bullets... boring AND stupid

    I might be interested in a few years, IF they can develop a reliable hi-cap mag.
     
  5. raftman

    raftman Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    To be fair... the 10-round capacity probably had less to do with how the designers of the rifle wanted to develop it, and more to do with increasing the odds that the USA (and possibly some other countries) would allow the rifle to be imported. All the other Saigas come from the factory with 8 or 10 round mags.
     
  6. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    I did not know that.

    Hopefully an american 3rd party company will be able to correct this issue.
     
  7. chris61182

    chris61182 A little west of Portland Active Member

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    That's awesome! Hopefully they bring in the ones with the folding stocks!
     
  8. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. Don't blame the Rooskies for this one. The Saiga 12s are only imported with 5 rounder magazines. 8s and up are for all intent and purpose banned from import and are unavailable in the US. Putting a hi cap magazine in one requires 922r compliance, so all Saiga 12 hicap magazines are US made (8, 10, 12 and 20).

    WASR AKs are in the same situation ...imported with only 10 round magazines.

    Keith
     
  9. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    I believe the plastic stock example shown is a folder...at least that's how I'm reading it. Maybe not, the way its worded, it could be read differently.

    Keith
     
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    protected static Pugetopolis Member

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    Yup, it's supposed to be a folding stock. The solid folder is a pretty highly sought-after feature.
     
  11. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    If so, then that settles that for me...it'll be the folder.

    Edit: I just reread the specs. It is definitely a folder. Stick on a quick acquisition sight like a PK-A and it'd be a perfect Appleseed rifle.

    Keith
     
  12. MrNiceGuy

    MrNiceGuy between springfield and shelbyville Well-Known Member

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    Still, a 10 round 22lr magazine the size of a 30 round AK mag is kind of ridiculous.

    The 12ga mag is less than half the size.

    I still want to read some hands-on reviews on this thing.
     
  13. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    You probably saw that cheesy GSG knockoff
     
  14. Nwcid

    Nwcid Yakima and N of Spokane Well-Known Member

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    922r does NOT apply to rimfire guns. There is no need for 10rd limits for import. GSG rifles all come with 22rd mags and are 100% import parts.


    If they feed like the AKT-98 or WASR-22 BDM makes a mag that fits.
     
  15. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    Although this comes up quite a bit on the internet, I cannot find anywhere in the 18USC922 code that says .22 rifles are specifically exempted from its provisions. The '94AWB specifically excluded .22, but that isn't the same thing. Could you cite your source document if you could? I'd like to see a definitive answer on this one way or the other.

    I cannot explain why the GSG guns are imported as they are, perhaps there is a special exemption for them? Since Russian non-sporting arms are outright banned from US import, maybe thats why they limit the round count to 10?

    Keith
     
  16. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    (a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes.


    The ATF has blanket authority to determine which guns are sporting and which are not. There is nothing to cite but the ATF has consistently ruled all 22 long rifle closed bolt firing long guns to be sporting so the 922r clause does not apply to them. Thats how the GSG, Romanian, Pumas, Armscorp and a slew of other 22 rifles get imported. It has nothing to do with the magazine capacity.

    Russian non sporting arms are not banned per se. It is a trade agreement with the Russians tied to foreign aid .
     
  17. trainsktg

    trainsktg Portland OR Well-Known Member

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    OK, well I guess that clears it up somewhat.

    Keith
     
  18. Seafarinman

    Seafarinman Washington State Member

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    Sweet! I want to get one. I don't have a .22 trainer rifle to go along with my WASR. I was gonna get the GSG-AK ($322 locally) but this looks to be cheaper. BTW the GSG-AK is endorsed by Mikhail Temefeyevich Kalashnikov himself.
     
  19. wired

    wired Yakima Well-Known Member

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    Don't put too much credence in that. Micky will endorse anything if the price is right.
     
  20. Seafarinman

    Seafarinman Washington State Member

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    Maybe so but it is the only mass produced AK of any kind that has his signature on it! :thumbup: