I only own one S&W, and I don't know a lot about them. It's a 14-4 (aka K38 Target Masterpiece). It has had Pachmayer grips on it for years, but they don't fit my hand right (too big front to back). Last week, I bought some factory grips from another member here which look great on the gun, but they are too small for my hand (I think they're called service grips). So, I bought some custom wood grips at the show yesterday that fit my hand right, but they don't fit the gun. They were marked S&W K-frame square butt, which is exactly what I have, but the bottom of the backstrap sticks way out of them. Anyone know what they fit? I don't know what a J-frame or an N-frame look like; I'm just curious if these might be interesting to someone else who has the right gun. Here are some photos in case I'm explaining it wrong. The first is the gun with factory stocks - flat sexy, eh? The next two are the gun with the incorrect stocks. Thanks for any help.