Russia sends at least 12 warships to Syria

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    Russia sends at least 12 warships to Syria

    Russia sends at least 12 warships to Syria

    Russia sends at least 12 warships to Syria
    Deployment seen as warning to Israeli, West over military intervention against Assad
    Published: 8 hours ago
    (Times of Israel) In a move considered aggressive by U.S. and European officials, Russia has sent at least 12 warships to patrol waters near its naval base in Tartous, Syria.

    The deployment appears to be a warning to Israeli and Western officials against military intervention in Syria’s bloody civil war, which has now claimed the lives of over 80,000 people.

    Russia’s increased presence in the region — which began raising eyebrows in the US three months ago — represents one of its largest sustained naval deployments since the Cold War, the Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday.
     
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    22 Reasons Why Starting World War 3 In The Middle East Is A Really Bad Idea

    By Michael Snyder, on August 27th, 2013

    http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/...war-3-in-the-middle-east-is-a-really-bad-idea


    Tomahawk cruise missileWhile most of the country is obsessing over Miley Cyrus, the Obama administration is preparing a military attack against Syria which has the potential of starting World War 3. In fact, it is being reported that cruise missile strikes could begin "as early as Thursday". The Obama administration is pledging that the strikes will be "limited", but what happens when the Syrians fight back? What happens if they sink a U.S. naval vessel or they have agents start hitting targets inside the United States? Then we would have a full-blown war on our hands. And what happens if the Syrians decide to retaliate by hitting Israel? If Syrian missiles start raining down on Tel Aviv, Israel will be extremely tempted to absolutely flatten Damascus, and they are more than capable of doing precisely that. And of course Hezbollah and Iran are not likely to just sit idly by as their close ally Syria is battered into oblivion. We are looking at a scenario where the entire Middle East could be set aflame, and that might only be just the beginning. Russia and China are sternly warning the U.S. government not to get involved in Syria, and by starting a war with Syria we will do an extraordinary amount of damage to our relationships with those two global superpowers. Could this be the beginning of a chain of events that could eventually lead to a massive global conflict with Russia and China on one side and the United States on the other? Of course it will not happen immediately, but I fear that what is happening now is setting the stage for some really bad things. The following are 22 reasons why starting World War 3 in the Middle East is a really bad idea...

    #1 The American people are overwhelmingly against going to war with Syria...


    Americans strongly oppose U.S. intervention in Syria's civil war and believe Washington should stay out of the conflict even if reports that Syria's government used deadly chemicals to attack civilians are confirmed, a Reuters/Ipsos poll says.

    About 60 percent of Americans surveyed said the United States should not intervene in Syria's civil war, while just 9 percent thought President Barack Obama should act.

    #2 At this point, a war in Syria is even more unpopular with the American people than Congress is.

    #3 The Obama administration has not gotten approval to go to war with Syria from Congress as the U.S. Constitution requires.

    #4 The United States does not have the approval of the United Nations to attack Syria and it is not going to be getting it.

    #5 Syria has said that it will use "all means available" to defend itself if the United States attacks. Would that include terror attacks in the United States itself?

    #6 Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem made the following statement on Tuesday...


    "We have two options: either to surrender, or to defend ourselves with the means at our disposal. The second choice is the best: we will defend ourselves"

    #7 Russia has just sent their most advanced anti-ship missiles to Syria. What do you think would happen if images of sinking U.S. naval vessels were to come flashing across our television screens?

    #8 When the United States attacks Syria, there is a very good chance that Syria will attack Israel. Just check out what one Syrian official said recently...


    A member of the Syrian Ba'ath national council Halef al-Muftah, until recently the Syrian propaganda minister's aide, said on Monday that Damascus views Israel as "behind the aggression and therefore it will come under fire" should Syria be attacked by the United States.

    In an interview for the American radio station Sawa in Arabic, President Bashar Assad's fellow party member said: "We have strategic weapons and we can retaliate. Essentially, the strategic weapons are aimed at Israel."

    Al-Muftah stressed that the US's threats will not influence the Syrain regime and added that "If the US or Israel err through aggression and exploit the chemical issue, the region will go up in endless flames, affecting not only the area's security, but the world's."

    #9 If Syria attacks Israel, the consequences could be absolutely catastrophic. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is promising that any attack will be responded to "forcefully"...


    "We are not a party to this civil war in Syria but if we identify any attempt to attack us we will respond and we will respond forcefully"

    #10 Hezbollah will likely do whatever it can to fight for the survival of the Assad regime. That could include striking targets inside both the United States and Israel.

    #11 Iran's closest ally is Syria. Will Iran sit idly by as their closest ally is removed from the chessboard?

    #12 Starting a war with Syria will cause significant damage to our relationship with Russia. On Tuesday, Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that the West is acting like a "monkey with a hand grenade".

    #13 Starting a war with Syria will cause significant damage to our relationship with China. And what will happen if the Chinese decide to start dumping the massive amount of U.S. debt that it is holding? Interest rates would absolutely skyrocket and we would rapidly be facing a nightmare scenario.

    #14 Dr. Jerome Corsi and Walid Shoebat have compiled some startling evidence that it was actually the Syrian rebels that the U.S. is supporting that were responsible for the chemical weapons attack that is being used as justification to go to war with Syria...


    With the assistance of former PLO member and native Arabic-speaker Walid Shoebat, WND has assembled evidence from various Middle Eastern sources that cast doubt on Obama administration claims the Assad government is responsible for last week’s attack.

    You can examine the evidence for yourself right here.

    #15 As Pat Buchanan recently noted, it would have made absolutely no sense for the Assad regime to use chemical weapons on defenseless women and children. The only people who would benefit from such an attack would be the rebels...


    The basic question that needs to be asked about this horrific attack on civilians, which appears to be gas related, is: Cui bono?

    To whose benefit would the use of nerve gas on Syrian women and children redound? Certainly not Assad’s, as we can see from the furor and threats against him that the use of gas has produced.

    The sole beneficiary of this apparent use of poison gas against civilians in rebel-held territory appears to be the rebels, who have long sought to have us come in and fight their war.

    #16 If the Saudis really want to topple the Assad regime, they should do it themselves. They should not expect the United States to do their dirty work for them.

    #17 A former commander of U.S. Central Command has said that a U.S. attack on Syria would result in "a full-throated, very, very serious war".

    #18 A war in the Middle East will be bad for the financial markets. The Dow was down about 170 points today and concern about war with Syria was the primary reason.

    #19 A war in the Middle East will cause the price of oil to go up. On Tuesday, the price of U.S. oil rose to about $109 a barrel.

    #20 There is no way in the world that the U.S. government should be backing the Syrian rebels. As I discussed a few days ago, the rebels have pledged loyalty to al-Qaeda, they have beheaded numerous Christians and they have massacred entire Christian villages. If the U.S. government helps these lunatics take power in Syria it will be a complete and utter disaster.

    #21 A lot of innocent civilians inside Syria will end up getting killed. Already, a lot of Syrians are expressing concern about what "foreign intervention" will mean for them and their families...


    "I've always been a supporter of foreign intervention, but now that it seems like a reality, I've been worrying that my family could be hurt or killed," said one woman, Zaina, who opposes Assad. "I'm afraid of a military strike now."

    "The big fear is that they'll make the same mistakes they made in Libya and Iraq," said Ziyad, a man in his 50s. "They'll hit civilian targets, and then they'll cry that it was by mistake, but we'll get killed in the thousands."

    #22 If the U.S. government insists on going to war with Syria without the approval of the American people, the U.S. Congress or the United Nations, we are going to lose a lot of friends and a lot of credibility around the globe. It truly is a sad day when Russia looks like "the good guys" and we look like "the bad guys".

    What good could possibly come out of getting involved in Syria? As I wrote about the other day, the "rebels" that Obama is backing are rabidly anti-Christian, rabidly anti-Israel and rabidly anti-western. If they take control of Syria, that nation will be far more unstable and far more of a hotbed for terrorism than it is now.

    And the downside of getting involved in Syria is absolutely enormous. Syria, Iran and Hezbollah all have agents inside this country, and if they decide to start blowing stuff up that will wake up the American people to the horror of war really quick. And by attacking Syria, the United States could cause a major regional war to erupt in the Middle East which could eventually lead to World War 3.

    I don't know about you, but I think that starting World War 3 in the Middle East is a really bad idea.

    Let us hope that cooler heads prevail before things spin totally out of control.
     
  3. trainsktg

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    Other than a little assist during the Russian Revolution, the US and Russian militaries have never fought each other directly. I really don't want to see the outcome of that.

    Keith
     
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    Leaving it to obummer and we just might.
     
  5. Caveman Jim

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    I feel that if Owebamma pulls us down to the level of supporting of our sworn enemies (Al-Qaeda) in Syria, he will meet Allah sooner than he wishes!!!
     
  6. Mephistopheles

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    American pilots flew against Russian pilots during the Korean War. Possibly during the Vietnam War.
     
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    The whole situation is fascinating as it shows how apathetic and unconcerned the average American has become.

    The Syria situation is on par with the Cuban Missile crisis where back in the 60s the entire nation was glued to the story, braced for doom, listening intently to every bit of news.

    Here, today, because of mind numbing distractions and entertainments, no one seems to notice, no one seems to care.

    "We" (as in our rogue gov, not we the people) are ready to start another war that may go terribly wrong just to enrich the Oligarch bankers and your average Joe is thinking about when the NBA season starts or what Miley Cyrus did.

    Bread and circuses to keep the controlled populace of children lulled into a trace while the adults go about their business.
     
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    And there is good evidence that the Russians sunk the Scorpion in '68 too. And we've been responsible for one, possibly two, of theirs being sunk as well. Most of us submariners who have seen the reports believe this. Regardless, isolated incidents aside, the US and Russians have never full-on engaged each other in war except by proxy.

    Keith
     
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    in 1987 I was in DC working for NIS for 2 weeks of active duty. One weekend I went to the Navy Yard Archives to do some classified research on message traffic for an intel training exercise where we would take a real world crisis....sanitize the message traffic to a more generic form and then use the messages released periodically to show how chatter builds and what you need to make sure the Admiral knows. So I am walking by all these boxes of crises and events..... I went through all of the USS Liberty.... That will piss you off, but I digress. I wanted but didn't have time to go through the Skorpion box. Now mind you, this was all Secret and above. Could have spent 6 months in there instead of 6hours. All the research desks were taken so they said, Sorry Lt. We only have this office over here. Will that do? I looked at the biggest darn mahogany desk I'd ever seen and the name plate said Admiral Chester Nimitz. I smiled a polite grin and said, Certainly, Petty Officer... That'll do just fine.
    The highlight of a great trip to DC.
    Btw, google it and the commies shot down and killed well over 150 US flyers during the "cold war." Serves the bast idles right when their aircraft fell out of the sky or their nuke subs fried a hole in the ocean. Never forget that Putin is cut from the same cloth as those Cold War communists.
    Brutus out
     
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    Does anybody have any possible "good things" for the US if we bomb/cruise missile Syria.

    Nobody is even sure on who used the chemical weapons, did the rebels get hold of some? Or was it Assad?
     
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    Yes, if we launch a few of these it will get a couple more ribbons for our sailors and so,e live fire practice. Additional it will give us a good idea if our Gps still works well. Oh, and it will piss off the Russians. Their Navy is a joke unless they toss nukes. It wasn't the hot stuff they said it was during the 70s and 80s and now it even worse. Fire a shot across the bow of Assad, what idiot speech writer came up with that? How about we just prod Assad with an obsolete bayonet or hit him with good horse cavalry charge?

    Brutus out
     
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    The Fix Is In: Hacked Documents: Obama Gave Green Signal to a Chemical Weapons Attack Plan in Syria | The Daily Sheeple

    It is always Israel or its stooge (US) doing the false flag crap. It works though. Mainly because the American people are so willfully ignorant.
     
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    And these random things mean?

     
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    That is exactly what really needs to be found out, BY THE UN!!! Let them sort this whole mess out and if they can't then release the Cracken (nukes)...
     
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    Woo Hoo Battleship .:thumbup:. Do we get to watch from a live satalite feed??:laugh:
     
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    You'll know when it is about to happen . . . All the info you need is Obama's golf schedule!?!?!?!

    Sheldon
     
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    A lot of lives on those ships.
     
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    What is more serious is the state of readiness and funding of our military thanks to obummer.
    This could be dire for National Security. We do not need to get involved in any more foreign conflicts period. We need to make sure our security here is strong, but that is not obums agenda. Everything he does is designed to weaken the US.

    Inhofe: ‘Military has no money left’ for Syria.

    http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/08/inhofe-military-has-no-money-left-for-syria/
     
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    We could probably lob a few cruise missiles at. Syria and only get rhetoric in return from the russkies. But, given the current environment there, and our ships being in close proximity I am now a bit more concerned.
     
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    I say we destroy all the other countries and be happy!
     
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