Russia attacks Ukraine! WW3 imminent?

[arakboss]

Guerrillas blow up a Russian armoured train in captured Melitopol - media

DENYS KARLOVSKYI In captured Melitopol, the Ukrainian resistance movement has managed to blow up a Russian armoured train as it was transporting soldiers and equipment. Source: local media; Mirror of the Week, quoting the Defence Headquarters of the Zaporizhzhia region Details: Eyewitnesses in...

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Aloha, Mark

That was a lot of Russian hardware on one train, I think the Ukes are going to need more Javelins.

 

[arakboss]

I feel bad for Russia:

Omens of Decline for Russia’s Once World-Leading Energy Industry

Sanctions have grounded Russia’s ambitious plans to build its liquefied natural gas capacity. Analysts say it’s a sign of problems ahead.

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[The Heretic]

I feel bad for Russia:

Omens of Decline for Russia’s Once World-Leading Energy Industry

Sanctions have grounded Russia’s ambitious plans to build its liquefied natural gas capacity. Analysts say it’s a sign of problems ahead.

www.nytimes.com

I don't.

It is apparent now that what was once a proud nation who was willing to do what it took to defend their homes, now is no more. Different generations, different outlook. People change.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I feel bad for Russia:

Omens of Decline for Russia’s Once World-Leading Energy Industry

Sanctions have grounded Russia’s ambitious plans to build its liquefied natural gas capacity. Analysts say it’s a sign of problems ahead.

www.nytimes.com

Behind a paywall FYI

 

[slimmer13]

"In contrast, Russian elections are rigged," he said. "Political opponents are imprisoned or otherwise eliminated from participating in the electoral process. The result is an absence of checks and balances in Russia and the decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq. I mean of Ukraine."

George W

 

[arakboss]

I don't.

It is apparent now that what was once a proud nation who was willing to do what it took to defend their homes, now is no more. Different generations, different outlook. People change.

I really don't either, sarcasm fail.

 

[arakboss]

Behind a paywall FYI

Sorry it came up for me on mobile.

 

[The Heretic]

Can Turkey block Sweden and Finland’s entry into NATO?

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has expressed strong views against Sweden and Finland’s entry into NATO. He has accused the two Nordic countries, in particular Sweden, of serving as a refuge for…

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[BrentN]

Can Turkey block Sweden and Finland’s entry into NATO?

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has expressed strong views against Sweden and Finland’s entry into NATO. He has accused the two Nordic countries, in particular Sweden, of serving as a refuge for…

www.france24.com

Took a while to get there in the article, but it sounds like the sticking point on getting a "yes" vote from Turkey really depends on how many billions of US tax dollars it will take to bribe them.

 

[The Heretic]

Took a while to get there in the article, but it sounds like the sticking point on getting a "yes" vote from Turkey really depends on how many billions of US tax dollars it will take to bribe them.

Yup - pretty much sure that is what Turkey really wants - $2B in US fighters if I understand correctly.

If I remember correctly, the US fighter jet deal with Turkey was quashed because the US didn't want Turkey using Russian fighters and US fighters in the same fleet? Something about interoperability/security/etc.?

Whatever.

I am thinking getting Sweden/Finland into NATO is a good thing. Even the Swiss are talking about training/joint ops with NATO - but not joining.

 

[Ura-Ki]

Back door dealings, Turkey wants to be a player in the big game, so they rattle sabers to try and force things they want! Same back door dealings finds them getting their balls squeezed if they really want U.S. Military aid and equipement! Don't forget, Turkey is only a "Ally of convenience" and as likely to serve its own needs before NATO obligations! This isn't the first time Turkey has stuck its toe in things, but with Brandon, they feel brave enough to threaten! Big mistake, but it was inevitable!

 

[Certaindeaf]

That was a lot of Russian hardware on one train, I think the Ukes are going to need more Javelins.

Or just melt them directly into tractors after the Russians shoot themselves in the foot and beg to go home.
Thanks for the delivery, dopes!

 

[arakboss]

I am wondering if Russia sent in the back string troops and equipment first to tire out the Ukrainians and figure out their tactics? Can Russian troops really be that bad?

 

[The Heretic]

I am wondering if Russia sent in the back string troops and equipment first to tire out the Ukrainians and figure out their tactics? Can Russian troops really be that bad?

I am given to understand this was the strategy they used in WWII, so it would not surprise me, but this isn't WWII and the Russians are not near as prepared for Ukraine as they were for WWII, nor are they are motivated, plus as they themselves have said, it is pretty much Russia against the rest of the world this time around, not the world against Germany & Japan, and we know who lost that war.

 

[Ura-Ki]

I am given to understand this was the strategy they used in WWII, so it would not surprise me, but this isn't WWII and the Russians are not near as prepared for Ukraine as they were for WWII, nor are they are motivated, plus as they themselves have said, it is pretty much Russia against the rest of the world this time around, not the world against Germany & Japan, and we know who lost that war.

Russia dosnt have "Front line" troops, that all ended when Russia went broke after the end of the cold war! With all the cuts and corruption within the military, they could hardly feed or even pay anyone, could not keep up with their front line weapons systems and couldn't pay for new stuff when it was needed! Look at their Air Force, they developed the new SU-57 Felon, but only own around 8 that are flyable, they simply cannot afford to purchase more! Same with their Navy, only Two cruisers, and a couple Destroyers that are more then 40 years old! Their training budget has been in the tank for more then 20 years, and their experience in sustained action shows all the failings now in Ukraine!

The idea of Putin holding back his good stuff is false he simply didn't have any to hold back!
I suspect his nukes are in pretty bad shape as well, with something that already exists, there is little money or drive to maintain things, and with the threat diminished, the chances of needing to use them has dropped way off! Not that they don't pose a threat, but it's not what it once was!


Remember when Russia got caught showing off all those fake rockets and missiles in their may day parade? Yea, that's still a big deal, gotta keep the people inspired by their might, even though everyone knows it's mostly fake!

 

[ma96782]

Yup - pretty much sure that is what Turkey really wants - $2B in US fighters if I understand correctly.

If I remember correctly, the US fighter jet deal with Turkey was quashed because the US didn't want Turkey using Russian fighters and US fighters in the same fleet? Something about interoperability/security/etc.?

Whatever.

I am thinking getting Sweden/Finland into NATO is a good thing. Even the Swiss are talking about training/joint ops with NATO - but not joining.

IIRC.....it was that......
Turkey wanted to buy the F-35.

But then.......they bought a Russian radar system. Yup.....it was also cheaper.

Not to mention that....
Yeah....they probably would have used the radar to test the F35 against it. And of course.....maybe, there would be a possible data leak to the Russians.

So.....the deal for the F35s fell apart.

BUT, But, but......data leaks happen all the time. Yeah.....it's really hard to keep a secret (and more so, now-a-days) in Amerika.

Aloha, Mark

 

[Catfishmoon]

IIRC.....it was that......
Turkey wanted to buy the F-35.

But then.......they bought a Russian radar system. Yup.....it was also cheaper.

Not to mention that....
Yeah....they probably would have used the radar to test the F35 against it. And of course.....maybe, there would be a possible data leak to the Russians.

So.....the deal for the F35s fell apart.

BUT, But, but......data leaks happen all the time. Yeah.....it's really hard to keep a secret (and more so, now-a-days) in Amerika.

Aloha, Mark

That's what I recall also, Turkey bought the newest version Russian air defense system, S-400.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Russia dosnt have "Front line" troops, that all ended when Russia went broke after the end of the cold war! With all the cuts and corruption within the military, they could hardly feed or even pay anyone, could not keep up with their front line weapons systems and couldn't pay for new stuff when it was needed! Look at their Air Force, they developed the new SU-57 Felon, but only own around 8 that are flyable, they simply cannot afford to purchase more! Same with their Navy, only Two cruisers, and a couple Destroyers that are more then 40 years old! Their training budget has been in the tank for more then 20 years, and their experience in sustained action shows all the failings now in Ukraine!

The idea of Putin holding back his good stuff is false he simply didn't have any to hold back!
I suspect his nukes are in pretty bad shape as well, with something that already exists, there is little money or drive to maintain things, and with the threat diminished, the chances of needing to use them has dropped way off! Not that they don't pose a threat, but it's not what it once was!


Remember when Russia got caught showing off all those fake rockets and missiles in their may day parade? Yea, that's still a big deal, gotta keep the people inspired by their might, even though everyone knows it's mostly fake!

I think they had two (2) stealth planes.. the Ukrainians shot one down so now it's a grand total of one (1).

 

[The Heretic]

A Ukrainian medic was captured by Russian forces after video evidence of the horrors of the invasion was smuggled out using a tampon

Over a two-week period, Yuliia Paievska filmed the rescue efforts of a small team in Mariupol and smuggled the footage to AP journalists.

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Videos show Russian soldiers leading a group of Ukrainian captives at gunpoint moments before they were executed in Bucha, report says

A New York Times investigation included video that showed Ukrainian captives being marched in a single file while flanked by armed Russian troops.

news.yahoo.com

 

[The Heretic]

Ukrainian troops destroy Russian electronic warfare system despite heavy guard (video)

Ukrainian artillery destroyed a Russian “Zhitel” R-330Zh communications jamming station, reported the command of the Air Assault Forces, publishing video evidence.

news.yahoo.com

‘Our Commander Is Leaving With Us’: Putin’s Troops Openly Plot to Ditch ‘Stupid’ War

ReutersRussian soldiers are apparently so sick of Vladimir Putin’s “stupid” war in Ukraine that they are now openly plotting with their own commanders to go AWOL.The Ukrainian Defense Ministry’s Main Intelligence Directorate released a recording on Thursday that is said to show precisely that...

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