Run in today with irate, gun wielding guy.

[Mikej]

Jesus! When I saw the title of the thread I immediately though of the rude, Azz-Hat Hardly Neverson riders that think their unmuffled, rough running, oil leakers sound cool with 3' of straight pipe! But no, it was muffled trail bikes. What was there? 1-2-300 riders coming through for 30-60-120 minutes? No. It looked like 20 guys maybe? Were they running back and forth at high speed, all times of day or night? If those home owners are so put out to have a few muffle cycle riders come through their alleys once a year they should get them some effing homeless people to set up in their alleys. What the hells with that anyway? No homeless camps? Not potland? Be sure some of THOSE miscreants have those little scooters with no mufflers too. Don't forget the junky cars that barely run, and the exhaust pipe is broken off at the manifold. Because of the drugs they do, or that they feel safer being out at night, they do all their running around in the junkers in the middle of the night.

PLEASE LORD! Give me a neighborhood, with alleys, and not streets lined with homeless that the city lets do as they please.

And I "think" those alleyways are "Private Property" like the sidewalk in front of your house is private property. I used to live near Alberta at NE 27th. Crack alley was only a few blocks away. The alleys we had there were useful for all sorts of drugs, crimes and debauchery!

 

[Mikej]

The "good thing " about tinnitus , is that you are never alone...there is always some noise in your head.
Just kidding here...as one who also suffers from tinnitus , it can range from annoying to hurtful at times.
Andy

I find I always need background noise. TD, talk radio mostly. Voices not music, keep the mind occupied too I guess.

 

[Roadkill Bill]

You don't have a right to point guns at other people. That's assault, and is also a great way to get shot, because anyone who carries, whole engaged in legal activity would be well within their right of self defense to shoot someone pointing a gun at them.

That being said, people doing motor cycle races through alleys that are not designed for motorcycle races, I could see where some people would find that aggravating. Not everyone is that stable to begin with anyway, especially now after a year of statist lies and lockdowns.

No, pointing a gun at someone is not assault! Assault is causing physical injury or substantial pain to a person.
Not to say that pointing a firearm at someone isn't illegal, and even pointing a replica firearm at someone could be illegal, based on the circumstances.
I do however agree that if this situation, In theory being 100% legal, why didn't anyone report it to the police?
The world appears to be full of people doing foolish things for foolish reasons and it breaks my heart when someone represents the pro gun community like this. But with that being said, if someone points a gun at my head or someone else's head when I'm present, there is probably going to be a gunfight. Just saying!
Pointing a firearm at someone would give that person reason to believe their life is in immediate danger of loss of life or serious bodily harm and the use of deadly force would be legally justified in Oregon, and I'm guessing in most the rest of the country too.

 

[cigars]

No, pointing a gun at someone is not assault! Assault is causing physical injury or substantial pain to a person.

Yes but in Portlandia it's against the law to hurt other people's feeeeelings dontcha know.

 

[American123]

No, pointing a gun at someone is not assault! Assault is causing physical injury or substantial pain to a person.
Not to say that pointing a firearm at someone isn't illegal, and even pointing a replica firearm at someone could be illegal, based on the circumstances.
I do however agree that if this situation, In theory being 100% legal, why didn't anyone report it to the police?
The world appears to be full of people doing foolish things for foolish reasons and it breaks my heart when someone represents the pro gun community like this. But with that being said, if someone points a gun at my head or someone else's head when I'm present, there is probably going to be a gunfight. Just saying!
Pointing a firearm at someone would give that person reason to believe their life is in immediate danger of loss of life or serious bodily harm and the use of deadly force would be legally justified in Oregon, and I'm guessing in most the rest of the country too.

Edit: various states interpret this differently, as the term used to define it may vary, however, pointing a gun at someone (while not used in self defense) is illegal and punishable by jail time and fines. In Washington, it can also result in a loss of CPL (if had).

Do a basic internet search and find many websites and attorneys explaining your opinion on the matter is incorrect, pointing a gun at other people (while not for the purposes of self defense) is assault. (There are varying degrees of assault, and not all of them require physical touch).

 

[ravib123]

Drawing from the holster and showing "I have a gun" with intent to intimidate is brandishing. Drawing from the holster and pointing the gun at the other person - that's not brandishing, and anyone who did that could legally be shot in defense of that action. Having just looked up the definition in RCW's that involve brandishing weapons, pointing the gun at others is not listed as part of brandishing.

Effectively I guess I don't believe he would have been able to "point the gun" effectively at the riders zipping by as described, with a pistol in one hand and a rifle in the other. That's brandishing most likely IMHO, however let's get technical:

Unlawful Use of Weapons

Oregon also has several criminal laws addressing the use of weapons, including:

• pointing a gun at someone, except in self-defense (punishable by a $10 to $500 fine and/or 10 days to six months in county jail)
• possessing or trying to use a dangerous weapon unlawfully against someone, or discharging a gun, explosive device, bow and arrow, or crossbow without legal authority in city limits or urban residential areas unless you're legally defending life or property (Class C felony)
• carelessly wounding someone with a firearm or bow and arrow (Class B misdemeanor, plus ineligibility for hunting license for 10 years), and
• recklessly or knowingly discharging a firearm at a school (Class C felony).

(Or. Rev. Stat. §§ 166.180, 166.190, 166.220, 166.370 (2019).)

 

[RVTECH]

To me it's common sense that you would be making people mad (I hope that is not the intent).

Well it's obvious there is NO common sense in this 'ride' at all.

This is a display of arrogance, entitlement with zero regard for the safety of anyone living in this area. (I could care less about the riders' safety)

It is also a 'primordial' display of superiority, instilling fear and establishing 'territory' .

I am sure most in this group want, and probably expect to be challenged by residents.

 

[TTSX]

Lot of lawyers in this thread. Probably medical experts, too

 

[ravib123]

Do a basic internet search and find many websites and attorneys explaining your opinion on the matter is incorrect, pointing a gun at other people (while not for the purposes of self defense) is assault. (There are varying degrees of assault, and not all of them require physical touch).

not in oregon anyway, I addressed this but it's covered by (Or. Rev. Stat. §§ 166.180, 166.190, 166.220, 166.370 (2019).) and it's as little as a $10 fine

Not to say it's a good idea, but hard pressed for a defense attorney to lose a case as assult when there is a law on the books for the exact situation being called out.

PS: IANAL so not legal advise.

 

[Provincial]

Simple solution: Homeowners find out the schedule of the "rally." They block the alleys at one point per block with "homeless camps" that include tents, shopping carts tied together, "abandoned" vehicles, and piles of "trash." The residents can access the street out the other end, but there is no way for traffic to pass all the way through.

The motorcyclists can call 911, but what are the chances that Portland Police have the manpower (or inclination) to follow up, given that they barely show up for a homicide. If they do show up, tell them that he "homeless" moved in last night, and "I know they will be back soon." "I'll talk to them when they return and I'm sure they will move on by this evening."

If the motorcyclists just divert to other alleys, recruit the homeowners there for pressuring the City to prohibit using alleys for through traffic. The City should already have an ordinance providing this limit, since alleys are not safe for use as "streets" even though they provide "public" access. They are intended to provide access to the adjoining properties for the owners, deliveries, and services like garbage and maintaining utilities.

Lack of consideration for others seems rampant in modern society. It leads to destructive behavior, and the backlash to this is affecting responsible people. Look at the gates going up in rural areas. Trash dumping, fires, tearing up roads and the land itself leads landowners and the government to restricting access. The bad apples spoil it for the rest.

 

[schnithead]

This is why Red Flag laws are becoming so popular.

 

[Knobgoblin]

dont ever mess with old timers that are fed up with America going down the drain and only having a few years left to live..

Unless it's after 10 pm

Because they've been asleep for 3 hours, and are in a catatonic state .

 

[pathfinder49]

I don't blame him I place it on the riders. I have been riding 40 + years and you kind of riders make us all look bad.

I have been riding 50 plus years and this is just bad form. What the heck are they doing riding on sidewalks and tearing up grass areas. I see no video of the other issue. If true it should be addressed by the police.

 

[WillametteWill]

First, yea, don't point guns at people not threatening you life (short answer). It also makes smart gun owners look bad.

Second, after watching the video from @Dirty Cary I feel soooooooooo much better about every single ticket that I have every written to a motorcycle rider. Having scraped an untold number off the ground as they were DRT (dead right there) from crashes, I can see the gene pool that they came from. Quite honestly, the public was in much more danger from the riders than an old guy with a gun. Thanks for all who participated in selfishly degrading the quality of life while endangering the safety of kids and families in the area so they can get their kicks.

Now for the the naked bicycle ride, I could get behind that, or not.

 

[Knobgoblin]

Lot of lawyers in this thread. Probably medical experts, too

Must be the same MBAs who are always ready to lecture about ammo gouging being good for America because "free market capitalism "

 

[Knobgoblin]

Lot of lawyers in this thread. Probably medical experts, too

Maybe they just stayed at a holiday inn Express last night.

 

[Member 53328]

Actions have consequences. Use your brain before you act. I don't blame the old man. Not saying it's right but when no laws are enforced this is what you will begin to see. Eventually hammers will start dropping. Sad but true. What do you think would happen after you locked everyone in their house and isolated them for over a year, feeding them lies and false fear. People will only bend so far until they snap.

 

[Certaindeaf]

The geez heard a pistol is only good for fighting your way to your rifle and knew his limitations so..

 

[AK0perator47]

Soooo... ride in the alley with a bunch of bikes that make noise?
Old man is tired of it happening every year?
Point firearms at people who participate?
Create a plandemic?
Test people's mental health?
Keep them from social contact?
Provide no help?
Victim blame everything?
Cancel other people's freedom?
Stage fake news?
Collapse free market?
Blame capitalism?
Start collapsing foreign diplomacy?
Defund law enforcement?
Individuals OD and die from it while in custody?
Start attacking law enforcement so they have no choice but defend themselves?

Crap no wonder why it happens! Sounds like a bunch of EGO and Socialism running rampant! But what do I know?

 

[ma96782]

"Bosozuko"

Look it up on YouTube if you don't know.

Aloha, Mark

PS....Yup, I spelled it incorrectly. It should be.....

"Bosozoku"