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RUN, HIDE, FIGHT

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by pchewn, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. pchewn

    pchewn Beaverton Oregon USA Well-Known Member

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    Video Teaches How To Respond To Threat Of Armed Assailant

    This video was forwarded to employees where I work by the head of security.

    The video prompted several people to comment on the company's "no weapons" policy.

    And it also prompted the expected anti-gun sheeple responses.

    It will be interesting to see the internal discussion of policy, and if there are any changes made. (I am doubtful).
     
  2. jjackffrost

    jjackffrost central oregon Active Member

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    Yea I did see the door no conceal carry in this building? Wait for the authorities and let him or her shoot you. You have no need for a gun; we will save you as soon as we finish with that traffic ticket and the swat team is off raiding a local dairy farm right now for sailing fresh milk so you will have to wait your turn.
    That said I did like the video and think it has the possibility of saving lives
     
  3. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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  4. dmancornell

    dmancornell Portland, OR New Member

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    Don't worry, I'm sure the security guards we have at our workplace will protect us from shooters. :laugh:
     
  5. hermannr

    hermannr Okanogan Highlands Well-Known Member

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    I was not in the "combat infintry" when I was in Vietnam, but occationally I had to drive a truck to get my classified equipment from Point A to point B. (Semitrailer, could not allow someone without the proper clearance to drive the tow vehicle, or access the trailer)

    We were taught to "turn into the fire" if we were ambushed. The idea was to get behind the source of the fire if possible, and not block the road. Once behind the source, then we were to return fire.
     
  6. mjbskwim

    mjbskwim Salmon,Idaho Well-Known Member

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    How is it you get to sell you you tube channel on here?
    Don't get it
     
  7. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    You got some sort of problem with people presenting opinions/information in video form?
     
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    The Duck Oregon Active Member

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    I don't have a problem with people presenting information via video; However I have a huge issue with people "Sailing Fresh Milk"! I hate those sailing scumbags...
     
  9. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    While I agree that being prepared to fight is best it's not always possible. I disagree that the video is anti-gun and anti-American. Not everyone works in a place where being prepared to fight by having a some type of firearm handy is possible. Because of that run, hide, and then fight seems like common sense not to mention good advice. I work in a public school where we have had a shooting right on campus. I'm not willing to be the legal guinea pig and challenge my ability to carry on campus (I can as I understand the law but my employer would can me).
     
  10. Grunwald

    Grunwald Out of that nut job colony of Seattle, WA Well-Known Member

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    I think that PBP's point is that we are forced to be unarmed by our employers and this fed agency indirectly promotes it. I have not seen the actual video, but I did watch his review of it and that is what I took away from it.
     
  11. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    But in this case it is only "not possible" because people are allowing themselves to be disarmed. This video just perpetuates the idea that this practice is okay.
     
  12. PuddleMonkey

    PuddleMonkey Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    time out... youtube pays now?



    I need to make me some videos. how do you guys feel about hula hoops?
     
  13. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Allowing themselves to be disarmed seems a bit of a stretch. Employers have the right to have workplace policies. We can disagree with a given employers stance on guns but it is their business and the worker is always free to find employment elsewhere.
     
  14. PlayboyPenguin

    PlayboyPenguin Pacific Northwest Well-Known Member 2016 Volunteer

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    Private property is one thing, but most businesses that are open to the public do not enjoy the same protections as private property. A business owner cannot say "I do not allow blacks in my business." Why should they be allowed to deny people their constitutional rights?
     
  15. Thebastidge

    Thebastidge 10411 NE Fourth Plain Blvd Vancouver WA 98662 Well-Known Member

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    http://www.northwestfirearms.com/pr...ng-active-shooter-event-video.html#post665840

    Duplicate threads

    Important point: you have to understand the criteria thoroughly, because you may have to skip directly to the last option.

    I have a little problem with this philosophy, because it doesn't stress the trade-offs of managing a risk like this. Risk management consists of avoiding, mitigating, and accepting.

    Running and hiding constitute the first two strategies in the video. The last one strategy encompasses the other risk managment aspects: mitigating and accepting. You accept that you have some risk in trying to mitigate the situation

    If we tell everybody that their BEST and FIRST strategy should ALWAYS be to run and hide, we miss out on the ability to mitigate the risk by cutting the incident short. We also get people caught ina decision loop of how to run and hide, when that may not be an option. We need to teach that all three strategies are equally valid, important to understand and know when to apply each.
     
  16. Thebastidge

    Thebastidge 10411 NE Fourth Plain Blvd Vancouver WA 98662 Well-Known Member

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    Emergency Management Institute

    I accomplished this training the other day. The only thing I would take exception with (as I said elsewhere and above) is the advice to only confront the shooter as a last resort. That's okay advice if you're under-prepared for such a confrontation, but there are tools widely available for you to use in such a scenario that would put you on an even footing with any shooter or the police, for that matter. If your conscience can take doing nothing while other people are murdered, by all means; hide yourself away as long as you can...

    "Course Description
    An active shooter is an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and other populated area. In most cases, active shooters use firearms and there is no pattern or method to their selection of victims. Active shooter situations are unpredictable and evolve quickly.

    All employees can help prevent and prepare for potential active shooter situations. This course provides guidance to individuals, including managers and employees, so that they can prepare to respond to an active shooter situation.

    This course is not written for law enforcement officers, but for non-law enforcement employees. The material may provide law enforcement officers information on recommended actions for non-law enforcement employees to take should they be confronted with an active shooter situation."
     
  17. greydog111

    greydog111 peoples repubilik of Oregon Active Member

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    "Don't ask, don't tell". Concealed carry that is!
     
  18. RVTECH

    RVTECH LaPine Well-Known Member

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    Regardless I believe the basic, unspoken premise the anti's, liberals and any and all who want to disarm us operate on is it is better to sacrifice a few as opposed the greater problems they believe will occur as a result of more guns in circulation due to legal ownership and CC.
     
  19. Kevatc

    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Is it legal to yell fire in a movie theater? Like I mentioned before my public school employer has a no gun policy on campus. It violates my 2A rights techically but the policy is supported by law. If I want to carry a gun to work my employer would tell me to have a nice day and escort me off campus PDQ.

    If I could ask you a direct question: should the 2A trump a employers right to establish policies on their premises?