Oregon Rosenblum attacks 2A sanctuaries

[SonicBlue03]

Any idiot that brings the United nations and conspiracy theories into court cases hurts our whole cause tremendously. That was an idiotic move. What the hell was he thinking? That's probably gonna spread all over the place and further the snowflakes thinking all gun owners are nuts.

I could care less if he thinks that true, that's his business, but don't bring it into the court case. Makes us look ridiculous and kills credibility of our cause in and out of court.

Kevin means well but he's not the person who should be leading these fights.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Kevin means well but he's not the person who should be leading these fights.

Is that Kevin Starett from OFF who said that?

 

[Yarome]

The state can undo all the county statutes they want to do away with "declared" 2A sanctuaries. It doesn't mean squat if the county sheriffs still choose not to enforce anti-2A policies.... which is their prerogative.

Stuff THAT in your tailpipe rosenblubbin!

I thought it interesting too in that judges opinion how much he was pushing that it wasn't up to LE to decide what laws to uphold. Or rather, to refuse to uphold a directive that is unconstitutional. That it's the courts decision to decide what is constitutional. Partly true... when they follow the law of the land and get it right... but even in the military it is legal to disobey an illegal order.

Violating citizens inalienable rights because they were ordered to.... if history teaches us nothing... has never ended well.

 

[MxOverkill]

....Does this sound like 114? but yet that can stand, but this cannot? Am I missing something or is this completely contradicting themselves? you can vote for more control, but you cant vote for less? Is it due to the County vs the State?

Might sound similar but completely different. The Columbia County measure actually usurped the authority of the State and Federal governments by saying their laws did not apply in Columbia County AND threatened to penalize anyone who enforced those laws in Columbia County. It was just crazy wetdream spawned by the local militia types. There was no organized opposition to it so voters never heard the other side of the argument. Speaking of which....

This thread starts with an opinion piece by OFF. OFF omits and twists the facts about the why the judges ruled as they did. The judges most pointed comments were directed at some of the nonsensical arguments the plaintiff attorneys made - not the county ordinance. If you're interested read about it someplace else.

 

[wingspar]

I got that email from OFF earlier today. I could not read the whole thing as I was pretty pissed off by the second or 3rd paragraph. He called us "white supremacists". What a moron this judge is. There is without a doubt legal gun owners of every race in this state. Since when did the constitution become a race issue??? A judge that is more interested in his own agenda rather than the law or the Constitution does not belong on the bench. Somebody should check to see if Bloomberg is sending him money. To me, that makes the judge a racist and totally unfit to sit on the bench. End of rant.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

I got that email from OFF earlier today. I could not read the whole thing as I was pretty pissed off by the second or 3rd paragraph. He called us "white supremacists". What a moron this judge is. There is without a doubt legal gun owners of every race in this state. Since when did the constitution become a race issue??? A judge that is more interested in his own agenda rather than the law or the Constitution does not belong on the bench. Somebody should check to see if Bloomberg is sending him money. To me, that makes the judge a racist and totally unfit to sit on the bench. End of rant.

Except he didn't. As @MxOverkill pointed out the ruling was based on constitutional / legal issues, the judges remarks were directed at the lawyers and their attempt to drag the United Nations into it.

 

[wingspar]

Except he didn't. As @MxOverkill pointed out the ruling was based on constitutional / legal issues, the judges remarks were directed at the lawyers and their attempt to drag the United Nations into it.

I did mention that my post was a rant from my initial reading of the email from OFF. There does seem to be more to it from reading this thread. I just get a little touchy on the subject of 114 sometimes.

 

[Knobgoblin]

 

[ilikegunspdx]

If this is OFF that mentioned the UN and conspiracy theories then they are doing us more harm than good and need to stay completely out of the courts.

First they hired a child molester defense specialist for their m114 lawsuit (WTF!!), now they are bringing the UN and conspiracy theories into the courts? If so they are making the entire gun community a laughing stock. They must stay out of the courts if they are the ones that brought the UN and conspiracy crap into this. This has to stop. Leave it up to people who know what they are doing and won't do stupid sh!t on top of stupid sh!t. We are making so many gains nation-wide with people that know what they are doing. Looks like OFF is doing a lot of damage to that effort.

 

[VinnieBoomBah]

For anyone that wondered why some of us aren't huge fans of OFF this thread may provide some clues.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I don't know much about OFF except what I've seen on a few threads here but hiring a child molester defender specialist for a 2A suit is just idiotic. Then if they mentioned UN or any conspiracy crap in a court case then that may be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

It will not only galvanize the anti-gun community and anti-gun judges, this kind of thing will turn the average neutral and objective person (or judge) into an anti-gun person. They will say, "they are a bunch of nuts thinking the UN is taking over the world" or whatever they will say. This kind of thing has the potential to do massive, long range damage to our cause Imo.

 

[Librarian]

I don't know much about OFF except what I've seen on a few threads here but hiring a child molester defender specialist for a 2A suit is just idiotic. Then if they mentioned UN or any conspiracy crap in a court case then that may be one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.

It will not only galvanize the anti-gun community and anti-gun judges, this kind of thing will turn the average neutral and objective person (or judge) into an anti-gun person. They will say, "they are a bunch of nuts thinking the UN is taking over the world" or whatever they will say. This kind of thing has the potential to do massive, long range damage to our cause Imo.

I think only for those already pre-disposed to despising gun owners and ownership.

I have no idea whether anyone 'serious' brought up UN stuff in connection with the sanctuary county law (in any county, anywhere).

Here's OFF's page on such ordinances - https://www.oregonfirearms.org/counties-pro-gun-ordinances-proclamations-resolutions-letters. Decide for yourself whether this strikes you as tin-foil-hattery.

 

[Jay Walk]

Doesn't Law enforcement still have discretion?


PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Local governments in Oregon can't declare themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries and ban police from enforcing certain gun laws, a state appeals court decided Wednesday, in the first court case filed over a concept that hundreds of U.S. counties have adopted in recent years.

 

[PiratePast40]

Except he didn't. As @MxOverkill pointed out the ruling was based on constitutional / legal issues, the judges remarks were directed at the lawyers and their attempt to drag the United Nations into it.

The judge was calling out CSPOA. It was quite a long diatribe:

CSPOA claims to eschew racist ideology, but in fact its leaders embrace
4 racist and white nationalist ideologies. The growing "constitutional sheriffs" movement
5 intends to increase the risk of conflict between local law enforcement and federal
6 authorities. The movement is animated by the deeply flawed and ahistorical view that
7 county sheriffs hold ultimate law-enforcement authority in each individual county
8 outranking federal and state authority. This deeply flawed and legally incorrect analysis
9 holds that the superiority of county authority is deeply rooted in Anglo-American law.
10 The anti-democratic ideas and quasi-legal theories propounded by the CSPOA and
11 embedded in Second Amendment Sanctuary Ordinances have their origins in the writings
12 of William Potter Gale, who founded the posse comitatus movement in the 1960s. They
13 also have their origins in the writings of the Aryan Nation, an antisemitic, white

1 supremist group.
2 The premise of such writings is the antisemitic and racist conspiracy theory
3 that Jews are at the heart of America's problems, that people of color are unwitting pawns
4 to be manipulated by one side or the other, and that zealots must prepare for a final battle
5 in the last days. The proponents of these ideas claim that a cabal of elites or globalists
6 (code words for Jews) in the UN, or the fictional New World Order or Zionist
7 Occupational Government, manipulate our federal government and, by extension, state
8 governments. These ideas are, of course, nothing new, unique, or intelligent: They are,
9 instead, just a rehashing of the ancient trope of a secret Jewish government; they are the
10 retelling of a lie that led to the murder of over six million Jews within living memory.
.....

I beieve that if you look up the term "hissy fit", this opinion may soon be used as an example.

 

[GrayGoose]

Counter theirs with ours...

State governments in the U.S. can't declare themselves Illegal Immigrant sanctuaries and ban police from enforcing certain immigration laws...

 

[SonicBlue03]

Is that Kevin Starett from OFF who said that?

Yeah, OFF was front and center of this one. Again, good intentions but the arguments and attorneys aren't even c-squad compared to what FPC and GOA are bringing to the fight. And once there's a bad decision on the books, it's part of the record to skate uphill against.

 

[PiratePast40]

GOA and CSPOA led the fight. OFF was supportive but not the leader.

 

[Member 53328]

Doesn't Law enforcement still have discretion?


PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — Local governments in Oregon can't declare themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries and ban police from enforcing certain gun laws, a state appeals court decided Wednesday, in the first court case filed over a concept that hundreds of U.S. counties have adopted in recent years.

LE has discretion depending if it's a MAY issue/arrest vs a SHALL issue/arrest. It all depends on the scenario and what crime has been committed.

Personally I wouldn't put my faith in the discretion of a lot of LEO now days though. Sadly. I guess it all depends on what city/county you live in and what cop/sheriff/trooper you have an encounter with.

Again though not sure how all these people think they are gunna get caught with something they aren't supposed to…… unless they are rolling around with a gun visible in their vehicle.

 

[Aero Denezol]

the retelling of a lie that led to the murder of over six million Jews within living memory.

Unbelievable. How did we go from 2A Sanctuary to the Holocaust?

So if we disagree we are "Nazis"... This is REALLY getting tired.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Unbelievable. How did we go from 2A Sanctuary to the Holocaust?

So if we disagree we are "Nazis"... This is REALLY getting tired.

That's what happens when the off lawyer starts adding conspiracy stuff into a lawsuit. It opens the door for judge to feel they need to either correct them, or show how radical they are. Which is exactly what is going on here Imo. UN, new world order whatever has no place in a suit like this if they want to have even a shred of credibility. Any lawsuit from now on OFF will be just considered wackos. I just hope the damage to the greater gun community is not that bad. Whoever knows OFF please tell them to let GOA, OSSA, SAF etc handle the lawsuit stuff. OFF is really hurting us.