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Retired Army Officer "DHS must surrender their weapons of war to DOD"

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Oathkeeper1775, Mar 24, 2013.

  1. Oathkeeper1775

    Oathkeeper1775 Coast Range Well-Known Member

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  2. mosinguy1

    mosinguy1 out by the ocean Active Member

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    It is like I said in another post I hope like hell all these military members that have taken the so called litmus test and passed were lying thru thier teeth to protect thier careers!!!!!!
     
  3. garguren

    garguren Southern Oregon New Member

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    Me too! It seems so hard to imagine that people can be so ignorant about what is going on around them. I cant imagine how anyone would be able to go along with plans that directly oppose the safety of American citizens. Unfortunately I know some of the people I met while in the military are complete bubblegums and live to say Yes Sir/Ma'am never having any real thoughts themselves.
     
  4. JackThompson

    JackThompson Valley of the Demons Well-Known Member

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    Awesome!
     
  5. blankman32k

    blankman32k Peoples Republic of PDX Member

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    Interesting.

    The Soviets never really trusted their military and thus had multiple armed organizations as checks and balanaces for each other. KGB, GRU, Tasmin Guards all mistrusting of each other and ready for a coup.

    Now look how the FBI just took down the CIA chief. The CIA are loosing their armed drones (which they developed) to the military. The Military are not allowd to carry or posess on many base (i.e. Fort Hood). Etc. etc.

    Am I jsut being paranoid?
     
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  6. Oathkeeper1775

    Oathkeeper1775 Coast Range Well-Known Member

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    I remember having to avoid pine trees painted with white rings; the EPA was protecting the Red Cockaded Woodpeckers, and would catch you on film and write you a very-hefty fine if you so much as entered into any one of the thousands of controlled areas....on a military post. The trees were literally all over the place on FTs Bragg and Benning.

    The only people that cut me "professional courtesy" when I was in the service were the civilian LEOs; and now they (to the best of my "agility"), have my loyalty.

    Like my grandpa used to say in Italian, mondo dove l'uomo è lupo con i suoi simili........."dog eat dog world".....
     
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  7. speeddemon94

    speeddemon94 The Rogue Well-Known Member

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    Those trees are still there, and soldiers must still stay away from them.
     
  8. Jamie6.5

    Jamie6.5 Western OR Well-Known Member

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    This presents something of a conundrum when one considers that under the Constitution, the military must always be subordinate to civilian authority/oversight.

    Having said that, I believe that obama, through The Patriot Act, is creating a "domestic" military with all-encompassing police powers.
    This domestically focused "military" is known literally and euphemistically as the DHS, and is being woven into and through our daily lives under the guise of "security."

    While I am opposed to this level of overreach by ANY government agency, I am also leery of the military calling for the surrender of weapons,... From anyone!

    In the event of constitutional crisis, our freedom will not depend on a top-down driven policy of oversight/supervision by force of arms, from ANY agency of the government.

    That article results in a dichotomy that sets alarm bells off in my head.
    Don't get me wrong. I trust most soldiers.
    But in the event of extreme civil strife, I believe the people that set policy and give orders will see their role as that of a hammer.
    And people with the means to resist will be viewed as the nail.
     
  9. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    They will fight for a (perhaps non existent at that time, or in Weimar-bucks) paycheck..

    We will fight for our nation, families and freedom

    Guess the news..
     
  10. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    Well, while we are at it, we might as well discuss the idea of a federal police agency, as well, since I find no place in the Constitution that allows one....(i.e. FBI). The ATF can (sort of) be good because it was a revenue agency...
     
  11. PMB

    PMB Vancouver, Washington Active Member

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    Huh... Wow. That hadn't occured to me before your post. Good call.

    What the heck is happening to our country? A lot of these good points aren't new at all- and I just accepted them because I grew up with them.
    When I read "Unintended Consequences" it filled in a lot of details that I had missed because they occured before I was born.

    Is there any way back to where we should be?
     
  12. Morpheus

    Morpheus Columbia Gorge Anyway, back on the farm.

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    While I commend the General for speaking out against the annoying and ever growing DHS. Uh, he may want to do a little more fact checking:

    Billions of Bullets and Thousands of MRAPs, Oh My - YouTube

    Not that I like the DHS, and think they are a waste of money. But still, fact checking is good.
     
  13. Blitzkrieg

    Blitzkrieg WA Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the same one that was employed under duress on April 19th, 1775
     
  14. One-Eyed Ross

    One-Eyed Ross Winlock, WA Well-Known Member

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    "one if by land, and two if by sea
    And I on the opposite shore shall be
    Ready to ride and spread the alarm
    Through every village, middlesex and farm
    For the country folk to be up and to arm"
    (Paul Revere's Ride)


    (If'n I got that a bit wrong forgive me, I memorized it a LONG time ago!)
     
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    Kevatc Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Let's be intellectually honest and remember all this started under Obama's predecessor. Obama should not be carrying on this policy to be sure but he didn't implement it either.
     
  16. mosinguy1

    mosinguy1 out by the ocean Active Member

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    While Obama did not start it, Jr. did, he should have stopped it except for it played into his hand. It was there and is helping him remove the rest of our rights. The more of our rights that stripped from us, the easier his so called Domestic Army will be inabled to act on his and all the other cronies will. The PUPET MASTERS will be fat and happy and they will be rewarded, WE THE PEOPLE WILL SUFFER.

    As for getting back to where we were when OUR COUNTRY was founded, the PUPPET MASTERS wont allow it.

    WE THE PEOPLE lost our country many many years ago, slowly but surely OUR RIGHTS have been and are being STRIPPED away.

    We can write our congress people all we want, I do, but until they the PUPPETS will stand up to the PUPPET MASTERS and tell them the PEOPLE ARE IN CHARGE we are screwed!!!!!!! If and when that ever happens it will be a long and painful journey back to where we were.
     
  17. oknow

    oknow amboy wa. Well-Known Member

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    if all the people stand their ground and say no and do our own enforcing against any officials trying to take our liberties away who do you think will prevail?
    but you will have to stand up for your neighbor so he will be able to stand up for you.