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Research challenges 'more guns = less crime'

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Dave Workman, Nov 15, 2014.

  1. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    More argument on ‘more guns = less crime’

    An on-line story at the Washington Post yesterday talks about new research that apparently pokes holes in the strongly-held opinion in the firearms community that more guns result in less crime, and it is sure to ignite some arguments.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/more-argument-on-more-guns-less-crime
     
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  2. tiggers97

    tiggers97 United States Well-Known Member

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    I recently came across some graphs that looked at gun-homicides vs ownership in the world and in the US, taken from public sources. These are far more simple in comparison to the statistical tools used by the researchers, but I would be curious to see how we can get numbers like this and reports like what the researchers produces. Note: they also had a very different outcome (last paragraph of the abstract) when only looking at 1999-2010. Not surprising considering the crime wave between 1979-~1992, when Right-To-Carry was far less common.

    https://www.facebook.com/UnbiasedAm...71.1073741828.123061011213236/299579676894701

    http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2014/10/graphics-matter-year-the-fifth-part-two.html
     
  3. Gunguy45

    Gunguy45 Well-Known Member

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    I don't need Lott's statistics.

    Look at gun sales and gun ownership.

    EVERY SINGLE poll done on this, with ONE exception, shows gun ownership on the rise.

    WHERE IS THE INCREASE IN CRIME? It's not there. Period.

    Now frankly, I've always considered Lott's research to be questionable.
    My position has always been that more guns DO NOT MAKE MORE CRIME. Period. That's a statement that is FACT, not statistical manipulation.

    We DON'T have 50% LESS guns in private hands than we did in 1993, at the height of the crime stats. But we have 50% LESS CRIME.

    Meaning GUNS ARE NOT A PROXIMATE CAUSE OF CRIME.

    Period, end of story. No other argument needs to be made. I've never believed for a second that more guns equal less crime. You'd need stats a lot more convincing than Lott's to make that case.

    But what IS very clear is that guns DO NOT INCREASE crime. Which is the main point.

    It's not the job of a human right to reduce crime.

    It's a right. PERIOD.
    What the numbers show unequivocally is that reduced gun ownership doesn't affect crime in any way. And you don't need to be a statistician to prove that. All you need to be able to do is read the damn FBI Uniform Crime Reports.
     
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  4. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    the antis also crowed and screamed how there would be rivers of blood in the streets if states allowed open carry or concealed permits.

    what happened when the open carry and concealed permit laws were passed? ... crickets ...

    somoene should really call the antis out on their failed predictions.
     
  5. bnsaibum

    bnsaibum Corvallis, OR Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer

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  6. erudne

    erudne The Pie Matrix PPL Say Sleeping W/Your Rifle Is A bad Thing? Bronze Supporter

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    It's called Marxist Critical Theory for a reason
    Anything that's not Marxist, gets Criticized
     
  7. Dave Workman

    Dave Workman Western Washington Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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  8. usagi

    usagi Redmond Well-Known Member

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    it is desperately important for the antis that they challenge this research. you can bet they are going to do everything they can to discredit it, because it is extremely damaging to their cause.
     
  9. balaperdida

    balaperdida eastern idaho Well-Known Member

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    Is there any credible research that supports the hypothesis that GCA68 reduced crime, or even reduced crimes involving guns, self-defense excepted? I have been unable to find any. Thanks
     
  10. Gunguy45

    Gunguy45 Well-Known Member

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    Even if it did reduce crime (and I doubt it did) you couldn't really prove it because the stats from that time are so poor. The large cities reported, but not the small agencies. there just isn't any really good data from that time period and the stats just get more sketchy as you go back from '68.
     
  11. Reno911

    Reno911 Hillsboro Well-Known Member 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    I asked 5 Americans this morning if they liked apple pie. All 5 said yes. My conclusion. 100% of Americans like apple pie.

    Statistics suck. Politics based off them are even worse.
     
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  12. Provincial

    Provincial Near Salem, OR Well-Known Member

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    "Junk Science", the third leg of Progressive dogma.

    Junk Science
    Rigged Polling
    Outright lies ("You can keep your doctor")
    o_O
     
  13. Brigadier

    Brigadier WA Member

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    63.486% of all statistics are made up.......
     
  14. ted.wen

    ted.wen Member 2015 Volunteer

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    A lot of the statistic is skewed. For example, I seen graph shown more guns = more gun crime. It failed to include all crimes in the comparison.

    I think the anti gun people somehow think good people pick up a gun can become bad. But in reality, bad people is bad regardless of if they have a gun or knife.
     
  15. ted.wen

    ted.wen Member 2015 Volunteer

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    I still believe in scientific method. The problem here is that politicians pick and choose what scientific results they want to see. I think we should let more scientific studies on this topic, but make sure it is done right and don't shut down projects based on political motives.