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reloading question on m2 ball AP in 30.06

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by ernurse, Jun 23, 2013.

  1. ernurse

    ernurse molalla oregon Active Member

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    Hey all, heres a question for you?,since the .308 and 30.06 bullets are the same diameter .30 inches. Can you load a 30.06 M2 Ball AP bullet into a .308 casing safely without to much compression, the diameter is the same. but the M2Ball AP bullet is 1.369 inches long versus a 150gr sp in .308 which is 1.070 inches long and the standard M2 Ball bullet is 1.091 inches long. was wondering If I could safely do it with newer powders. When I pulled the bullets the 30.06 casing were pretty full. So I thought Id better ask some pros. Thanks in advance for any serious and knowledgeable answers. I don't want to blow myself up. Or am I :nuts:
     
  2. rick benjamin

    rick benjamin USA, Or, Damascus Secure the drama Silver Supporter 2016 Volunteer

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    For all intents and purpose, your pulled bullets can be fired through both weapons.
    I would dump the powder from the pulled rounds.
     
  3. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    By the way your bullets are .308" in diameter not .30"
     
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  4. vertical ascent

    vertical ascent Vancouver Active Member

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    Weigh the bullet, that should give you an idea.
     
  5. joe k

    joe k SE Portland Member

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    This is from wiki, so verify it by weighing your bullets.
    Look up reloading a .308 with 168 grain bullets, and that will answer your question.
     
  6. Mark W.

    Mark W. Silverton, OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    30-06 M2 AP ammo uses a bullets 1.40" long .308" in diameter 165.7gr weight

    .308 or 7.62x51mm M61 AP uses a bullet 1.28" long X .308 in diameter 150.5gr weight

    The M2 AP bullet is longer below the cannelure (crimp) so it will just stick down into the .308 case a little deeper. As long as you chose load data for a Bullet of the same weight 165-168gr and maintain you overall length spec's and use a powder that is not compressed with the bullet properly seated (you should be able to hear the powder shake around if its not compressed)

    You will be fine.

    All spec's given taken directly from TM-43-0001-27 Army Ammunition Data Sheets 1994
     
  7. ernurse

    ernurse molalla oregon Active Member

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    Mark and all others thank for your replies. Its just something Ive been playing around with in my head. And always safety first in my book.
     
  8. orygun

    orygun West Linn Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Weigh the bullet to know what powder and charge weight you should use. Any bullet from a 30-06 can be used in a .308 and vice-versa. It's that simple.
     
  9. AMProducts

    AMProducts Maple Valley, WA Jerk, Ammo Manufacturer Silver Supporter

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    As everyone else said, you can load the 30-06 bullet into the .308, it's not a big deal, the thing you need to look out for is your powder charge.

    Because the steel used to make the AP bullet is of lower density than a standard copper/lead bullet, it will consume more space in the casing, resulting in higher pressures if standard load data is used.

    For this reason, you need to use lighter load data, I would make comparisons to the barnes TSX data as a similar starting point. I think they list the approximate dimensions of their bullets, you should find something with a similar size, also the density of the AP bullet should be slightly less than that of the copper bullet so you should probably drop the load further than you might think.