Registering a rifle that doesn't need to be

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  1. rmalco

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    Hi all - Looking for some advice with an odd question. I plan on taking a rifle to Europe and part of the many many requirements are to have "proof of registration". It's a black powder rifle that I'll be taking over for a historical reenactment. Any ideas on how to create a valid, legal, registration of a rifle in Oregon? Something that would show a serial number and my name and address. Any ideas are welcome. Thank you
     
  2. HB of CJ

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    Oh boy. Welcome to European law. How about contacting your local or regional US Consultant? Anyway to contact somebody in our Embassies in the to be visited European nations?

    Do black powder rifles count as firearms in Europe? I bet they do. Somehow you need to connect with somebody who has gone through all of this before. Who that would be I do not know.

    You might have to leave the gun home and use something locally provided.
     
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    There's a member here "TAC" that lives in England and he would probably be your best bet in knowing these types of rules and regulations.
     
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    @tac is the your man.
     
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    Closest thing I can think of is pawning it for a day or two that would create a 4473 and a paper trail. But yes talk to Tac
     
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    Andy killed them all when he was an Army Ranger.





    :D
     
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    Boy that sure was a busy day! :D
    I think the best thing to do is contact tac and look up the firearm laws in the countries that you want to go to.
    I can ask some friends I have in Germany or Sweden for you if that might help?...
    Andy
     
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    Ask the people that are asking you do "that". just spitballin'
     
  12. WALawyer

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    Your local sheriff or chief of police might be happy about registering your firearm, contact him or her for some sort of letter on letterhead.
     
  13. tac

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    It really does depend what country you are going to, so you'd be best advised to check the law in that/those.

    Many countries do not require ANY paperwork for a true antique - but of course, actually firing the thing - blanks or otherwise - is a totally different matter.

    Here in UK - and that is ALL of the UK - an antique CAN NOT be fired, even with a blank load, without a UK Shotgun Certificate [if it is a smoothbore musket] or UK Firearms Certificate Section 1 [if it is rifled].

    Here in UK, the same applies to replicas - smoothies are classed as shotguns, and rifled as Section 1 firearms. For either you will need a visitors' shotgun certificate [SGC] or firearm certificate [FAC].

    On the other tentacle, many countries in Europe do not consider a single-shot BP long arm to be a 'true' firearm, and anybody over the age of 18 with a clean record may walk into the store and walk out again with it under your arm - figuratively speaking.

    So we REALLY need to know where you are going to be - Europe is not one big country where the locals speak different languages to confuse Americans, and one country's laws are another country's meh.

    In any event, you will need to have an EU Firearms passport, unless your gun is non-firing replica [in which case you'd have to be totally crazy to even try and take it with you].

    Once you arrive in Europe - wherever it is that you arrive - you can only take a weapon from one member state to another if you are in possession of a European firearms pass. This pass contains the identity of the person and the firearm and a section for authorizations to enter other member states.

    These laws are valid in all European Union member countries, but the Directive does state that: "In special cases, the competent authorities may grant authorizations for such firearms and ammunition where this is not contrary to public security or public order". They also allow member countries to adopt in their own legislation provisions which are more stringent than those provided for in the Directive.

    European Union member countries are: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden and the United Kingdom.

    tac

    PS - 'tac' is all lower case, please.

    PPS - Given the present climate vis-á-vis guns and travelling, MY advice is to leave it at home. Taking it with you and moving between countries in Europe makes carrying and moving between the states plain-sailing by comparison.
     
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    Whinemeal - this is from Delta Airlines -

    Shooting Equipment

    Shooting equipment is allowed as checked baggage only. It must fit within the very specific criteria that we outline below.
    • Declare to the Delta representative that you are checking a firearm.
    • Declare the existence of a firearm to security personnel if there's a security checkpoint before the Delta counter.
    • All firearms must be declared by the passenger to a Delta representative at the main ticket counter.
    • Present firearm(s) unloaded and sign a "Firearms Unloaded" declaration.
    • Firearms must be packed in a locked manufacturer's hard-sided container specifically designed for the firearm, a locked hard–sided gun case or a locked hard-sided piece of luggage. Handguns may be packed in a locked hard-sided gun case, and then packed inside an unlocked soft-sided piece of luggage. However, a Conditional Acceptance Tag must be used in this case.
    • Maintain entry permits in your possession for the country or countries of destination or transit.
    • Ensure small arms ammunition is packed in the manufacturer's original package or securely packed in fiber, wood, plastic or metal boxes and provide separation for cartridges.
    • You are responsible for knowledge of and compliance with all Federal, State or local laws regarding the possession and transportation of firearms. For more information about this regulation you can visit the TSA website.
    • If you are transporting a firearm to the United Kingdom, a permit from the United Kingdom is specifically required. You must contact the United Kingdom for more information about securing this permit.
    • Ammunition in excess of 11 lbs. per passenger or that contains potential projectiles is not allowed.
    Pistols and accessories must be included in one case and contain:
    • Pistol telescopes
    • Noise suppressors
    • A small pistol tool case
    • No more than 11 lbs. (5 kg) of ammunition
    Rifles and shotguns must be packaged as follows:
    • One hard sided case containing up to four rifles, shotguns, shooting materials, tools
    • One hard sided case containing up to five handguns, one scope, tools
    • One bow and quiver of arrows and maintenance kit enclosed in a case or container strong enough to protect the bow and quiver from accidental damage
    • No more than 11 lbs. (5 kg) of ammunition
    An excess baggage fee will apply if checking more than one gun case.

    More coming......

    tac
     
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    1. The Form 4473 is a must - NOT a copy. If the state you live in classes your rifle as a firearm, you must have the documentation to support it.

    2. If the state that you live in does NOT class it as a firearm, then get your local friendly FFL to MAKE it a legally-owned firearm by giving you a paper trail of sale from him to you. Pay $$$ to get it done, if necessary.

    3. Be a paid-up member of the N-SSA.

    4. Be a paid-up member of the NRA.

    5. Be patient with furriners - they are not lucky enough to be citizens of the only country on earth where the RIGHT to own a gun is part of the written constitution.

    tac
     
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  18. tac

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    'It's a whole new world out there, Jim, and I guess we're not in Kansas anymore either...'

    Here in Europe you abide by the laws of the game or you don't play - it really is that simple.

    tac
     
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    sounds like a huge amount of...(insert choice of word(s))
     
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  20. tac

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    Yup.

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