Recommendations for 12 gauge riot gun?

[PORSCHE928S4]

So if the Home Invader is clean cut, you choot 'im with the Trap gun ?

Yes clean cut and a tie gets da trap for sure !

 

[DunRanull]

Some of these come with 8 round tube capacity or 6; given the context would six rounds be more than enough or if I am going to do the buy, just go for the 8 round out of the gate? I have a 20 guage that takes 3" magnum rounds; would that work just as well? I think the pump tube is 5 rounds. The 20 that I have is a 1960s era Savage 67; perfect condition. What do you think. I am up for semi or pump.

Tell you what, I like that Savage 67, owned one in 12ga, got rid of it after I moved to Colorado and no longer hunted with a shotgun. Replaced it years later with an 870 12 for bunny and bird hunting.
I should think that 20ga with slugs or buck would do what you had in mind as protection... Looking for something in a 20ga "riot gun" and retiring my 12's because of the weight and the kick on my old bod...

 

[PORSCHE928S4]

Seriously this is all I would need

 

[DunRanull]

20g will kill but it's about half a 12g. 12g has more options that are locally available. It depends on personal preference. All so consider if a wife or kid will be using it

870s are 4 plus 1, you can add magazine extensions of plus 1, 2 for 18 barrels and plus 3 for 20" barrels

Carried a "gunsmith improved" 12ga 20" 870 for field security at a large rural park in Colorado. It retired with me. Still considering a 20ga semi as my house gun if I can find one with a mag extension.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Is it a really a riot gun if it can't take a 20 round drum mag?

Saiga 12

My first 12 gauge was a Remington 870 with an extended tube - 7+1 rounds. It would seem that or a Mossberg 590 would fit the criteria you specified, but if I was genuinely concerned about 4 legged animals and 2 legged varmints out in the woods I would lean toward a semi-auto rifle in .308

Yep for riots and zombies nothing beats the saiga 12 or clone. About the same rate of fire as an AR and with a good compensator recoil is almost nothing with trap shells and mild with high brass. They are incredibly fun to shoot. Very reliable. Heavy if doing any hiking though. Emptied a drum of trap loads into a reactive target the other day and laughed my a$$ off.

Video from internet.

Siaga drum.mov

• ilikegunspdx
• Feb 14, 2022

Random video I found that is representative of the mild recoil if using an effective brake.

 

[tomcat]

A 870 or Mossberg 590 Iv had both and have ran them super hard

The new 590s would be go to shotgun

 

[American123]

Yep for riots and zombies nothing beats the saiga 12 or clone. About the same rate of fire as an AR and with a good compensator recoil is almost nothing with trap shells and mild with high brass. They are incredibly fun to shoot. Very reliable. Heavy if doing any hiking though. Emptied a drum of trap loads into a reactive target the other day and laughed my a$$ off.

Video from internet.

Siaga drum.mov

• ilikegunspdx
• Feb 14, 2022

Indeed, except it is sad that MD arms isn't making that drum anymore at the last time I checked. It's a great drum.

 

[DunRanull]

Yep for riots and zombies nothing beats the saiga 12 or clone. About the same rate of fire as an AR and with a good compensator recoil is almost nothing with trap shells and mild with high brass. They are incredibly fun to shoot. Very reliable. Heavy if doing any hiking though. Emptied a drum of trap loads into a reactive target the other day and laughed my a$$ off.

Video from internet.

Siaga drum.mov

• ilikegunspdx
• Feb 14, 2022

Random video I found that is representative of the mild recoil if using an effective brake.

Is that an AK knock off? It has the AK-clack the rifle is noted for.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Is that an AK knock off? It has the AK-clack the rifle is noted for.

It's a 12 gauge AK. Lynx 12 which is a saiga 12 clone. They are reliable and a blast to shoot and about 1/4-1/3 the cost of a saiga.

 

[ilikegunspdx]

Indeed, except it is sad that MD arms isn't making that drum anymore at the last time I checked. It's a great drum.

There are a few manufacturers making 12, 15, 20, 25, and 30 round drums. I don't normally like promag at all but their saiga 12 drums seem fine.

 

[American123]

It's a 12 gauge AK. Lynx 12 which is a saiga 12 clone. They are reliable and a blast to shoot and about 1/4-1/3 the cost of a saiga.
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What makes them be able to be 1/3 the cost of a Saiga?

 

[ilikegunspdx]

What makes them be able to be 1/3 the cost of a Saiga?

Made in China by factory that has been making AKs for 50 years or so. Buds gun shop had them for $308 not long ago. The left side charging version costs a bit more I think $379 is what I saw it for.

My recommendation for lynx 12 or saiga 12 is buy a good brake (ie consider a muzzle brake part of the cost of the gun). Completely makes the gun imo because recoil is reduced by up to70% depending on brake and what load. Sds howitzer type
Brake (a GK copy) like that shown in the 2 pics in the post above is $59 and the best one for rise reduction is the V6 (shown in second video) at $130.

One study from YouTube FYI:


A different study from YouTube. The little white or colored dots show the max rise/rearward travel.

 

[DunRanull]

It's a 12 gauge AK. Lynx 12 which is a saiga 12 clone. They are reliable and a blast to shoot and about 1/4-1/3 the cost of a saiga.
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I'd like to get one!

 

[OldBroad44]

Go with a 12 guage magnum? What brand? Thinking of remote wilderness camping with a woman where 4 footed bears and wolves are known as well as two footed drinking nutjobs travel with pickups. About 30 miles off road and 60-70 from the law. Better go with a 20 guage magnum? What brand?

Wilderness campsite with woman, bears, and wolves...well..okay...I guess. Who am I to pass judgement on anyone's...preferences. Add drinking human nutjobs? Probably singing loudly off-key and vomiting all over the place while woman tries to do I don't want to think too much about what with wolves. And the bears are into my pack gobbling all my food? Deal killer. I'm staying home!

 

[ilikegunspdx]

I'd like to get one!

Mine sure has been fun. FYI Atlantic firearms has the lynx 12 left side charging version for $379. That version also has a pic rail on the dust cover. Buds was cheapest I saw for right side charging at $308.

Some info for the stuff on the one shown in pics above if interested: I opted for the right side charging version and installed a Monstrum tactical handguard ($44 from monstrum tactical) which has 2 lengths for the top pic rail and has a quad rail for the handguard. Red dot sits a bit high on it though so need a cheek riser on the stock.

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Red dot was $12ish. So far it is holding up to 12 gauge abuse (fwiw).

Red dot reflex sight for under $12

Use code DTPGHN9C at checkout. https://www.amazon.com/Pinty-Reflex-Holographic-Different-Reticles/dp/B01EWAAWGU U can also use the 5% off coupon listed on the main item page to save $1.25 which brings total to just under $12. This looks to be the same as the fyland/feyachi one (I have 2 of...

www.northwestfirearms.com

SDS muzzle brake was $59 at gun zone deals. Be aware It is a heavy steel one which makes front heavy which I don't mind and probably even helps some with recoil. Aluminum versions are also available (maybe from Carolina shooter supply?). V6 muzzle brake I didn't buy due to cost but it is around $130.

Drum mags are a bit less expensive at gun zone deals. Regular stick mags (8, 10, 12 round) can be found in various places. Atlantic has 10 rounders for $30 (lynx 12 takes any saiga 12 mags and accessories but not Vepyr mags/accessories).

As far as furniture it takes regular AK stocks and grips (not Vepyr). I assume regular ak handguards would have to be modified to fit but did not research that. Magpul Zhukov stock, grips shown are on the pics above but magpul is spendy.

Can customize to your preferences with standard ak stuff. Some of the more exotic handguards (mostly from Carolina shooter supply where anything is very expensive Imo) are spendy. Some random examples I found when determining what I wanted:


Monstrum tactical handguard




V6 muzzle brake

Wood stock

 

[bbbass]

Be surprised what ya can do with a pistol if properly motivated (as in getting pounded into the ground).

Just ask George Zimmerman!

 

[tkdguy]

I was maybe foolishly of a 12 gauge in addition to the 20 because of the compatibility with government in case the shtf. I did not think of the 12's recoil against my 160 pound 73 rd old body. Is there a 20 gauge 7-8 round riot gun?

 

[DunRanull]

I was maybe foolishly of a 12 gauge in addition to the 20 because of the compatibility with government in case the shtf. I did not think of the 12's recoil against my 160 pound 73 rd old body. Is there a 20 gauge 7-8 round riot gun?

Good to have a 12 ga handy, cuz ya never know. I have a couple which retired with me from a patrol gig I did in a large rural park in Colorado. 12 ga ammo is much easier to find... I want a 20 because of the recoil factor but so far I havent located what I want in a 20. I prefer a semi with a long tube.

 

[orygun]

A ported choke tube and a Decelerator pad go a long way toward killing the recoil of a 2 3/4" 12 gauge shell.

 

[tkdguy]

A ported choke tube and a Decelerator pad go a long way toward killing the recoil of a 2 3/4" 12 gauge shell.

What a great idea!!! So, thanks.