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Recent NP carry vote: How badly did your legislators do?

Discussion in 'Legal & Political Archive' started by Oro, May 20, 2009.

  1. Oro

    Oro Western WA Active Member

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    The vote for the National Park carry amendment to the Credit Card act is through. It is widely known as the 'Coburn' amendment as Senator Coburn (R-OK) introduced it. It passed the senate 67-29-3, and the House 279-147-7. So barring all the credit card companies deciding to convert to non-profits or charities in the next 48 hours, it's a done deal when it hits the O-meister's desk. So how did our PNW legislators do on this issue in regards to standing up for constitutional rights and gun rights? Pretty badly, actually. Washington was abysmal - right up there with CA, MA, IL, NY, and MA in percentage against it. Oregon was better, thanks largely to it's senators both going for it. In the house, OR was fairly apathetic, too.

    Here's the actual votes: Note this is for just the amendment, not the bill overall. This is a straight vote on whether these folks think citizens can be allowed to carry concealed weapons. Nothing more, nothing less:

    In the house:
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2009-277

    In the Senate:
    http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=s2009-188

    In the Senate, both OR senators voted For. Both WA senators voted AGAINST.

    In the House, here's the summary:

    Oregon:
    Nay OR-1 Wu, David [D]
    Yea OR-2 Walden, Greg [R]
    Nay OR-3 Blumenauer, Earl [D]
    Yea OR-4 DeFazio, Peter [D]
    Yea OR-5 Schrader, Kurt [D]

    Washington:
    Nay WA-1 Inslee, Jay [D]
    Nay WA-2 Larsen, Rick [D]
    Nay WA-3 Baird, Brian [D]
    Yea WA-4 Hastings, Doc [R]
    Yea WA-5 McMorris Rodgers, Cathy [R]
    Nay WA-6 Dicks, Norman [D]
    Nay WA-7 McDermott, James [D]
    Yea WA-8 Reichert, Dave [R]
    Yea WA-9 Smith, Adam [D]

    When they come at you next year for money for their mid-term campaigns, don't forget this.
     
  2. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Moses Lake, WA Active Member

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    Our Senators in WA did just as their Dem Party rulers ordered them. As did all but one of our Dem Congressmen. Adam Smith is to be commended. A note in his email would not be out of order.

    Pops
     
  3. parsons_12b

    parsons_12b LaPine Oregon Well-Known Member

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    DeFazio voted yes just as he told me he would
     
  4. Trlsmn

    Trlsmn In Utero (Portland) Well-Known Member

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    Wu and Blumenauer against, imagine that.
     
  5. ZeroRing

    ZeroRing 26th District, WA Active Member

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    What else is new?? This is the People's Republic of... :dunno:
     
  6. tionico

    tionico Thurston County Well-Known Member

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    An aside, but part of our terminally sick policital system is this sort of thing: WHY is a law concerning FIREARMS ammended to a bill concerning CREDIT CARDS? The ONLY connexion I can imagine is that I most often use my credit card for the purchase of firearms and ammunition.... this is STUPID!!!

    In any case, I am glad the ammendment passed..... the fact that the Constitution has not applied in national parks has been rather barmy.

    As to our Washington "senators"... yup, anti individual rights all the way. Except for "certain" "rights", if ya get ma drift.... I wish we could throw both of these wackos out.... maybe the best solution is to vote with my feet... move out of Washington.
     
  7. Flakman5000

    Flakman5000 Oregon New Member

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    Totally agree. But what rights do Americans really have anymore? Our government wants to baby its people and be their mother. Tell us what to say, what to think, and how to act. We are not free any longer for that would offend Mexico!
     
  8. BillM

    BillM Amity OR Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well yes--but if Wu could have voted "maybe" he would have. The only
    thing he seems to have an opinion on is that he's all in favor of saying
    whatever it takes to get re-elected.:)
     
  9. tionico

    tionico Thurston County Well-Known Member

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    Precisely the basis on which I say "t'row da bumms owt". The other main fault I have with our present political situation is precisely this sort of thinking: whatever it takes to get re-elected.

    Media fawning and promoting seems to be the basis on which most people vote. Until that changes to "what does this candidate believe in and stand for", and "what are his values that will drive his voting on our behalf", and "how has he SERVED his constituents in the past" we will continue to forgo our rights and freedoms, instead becoming increasingly infantised by the cancerous nanny state, seeing to every detail of our lives from cradle to an early grave.

    Public representatives/servants of this ilk need to be de-elected next go-round, or, even better, removed from their posts when malfeasance in office can be proven. You can't build a building on a foundation of sand. For when the rain comes (as it surely will) the footing WILL wash out from under.

    And most of this sort of lout realise only too plainly that their best hope against a rising awareness of their corruption and selfishness is to disarm the populace. Their voting records plainly demonstrate this.
     
  10. fingolfen

    fingolfen Oregon Member

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    Sorry - did you say Mao and Marx???
     
  11. armedandsafe

    armedandsafe Moses Lake, WA Active Member

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    Remember, all. We managed to de-Foley-ate Washington once. Let's keep that in mind and do it again, It makes me sick that such a ... person comes from the East side.

    Pops
     
  12. swoop

    swoop Milwaukie, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yep, and it all starts at the top.
     
  13. JC9995

    JC9995 Greater "Clackamas" Active Member

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    Only way I can figure it is that both the credit card bill, AND guns help keep you from being robbed. :)
     
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    usmc0311 Portland Member

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    So I wasn't too sure about what the credit card bill was and what it did. I thought for a minute that maybe the bill was why it got the nay votes and not the amendment, but I was wrong.

    Evidently, the House Rules Committe separated the NP amendment from the bill and voted on it apart from the bill. So really, there is no excuse whatsoever, and I agree completely that we should kick the bums out and replace them with people that are willing to respect and defend the Constitution!
     
  15. Oro

    Oro Western WA Active Member

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    Yes, the votes I cited above are for the NP amendment only, not the whole bill. Those are the votes of our legislators broken down specifically to the NP amendment and your right to carry.
     
  16. tionico

    tionico Thurston County Well-Known Member

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    so, no question, our pair of senatrices need to head on down the road. The WA ones, at any rate. But I've known that for years.... hope enough more figure it out so we can wave them adios........
     
  17. IrishFitz

    IrishFitz Happy Valley, OR Member

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    Those two... no way... I am shocked! :withstupid: