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Realistic Toy Guns, opinions?

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by BlackSheepJ, Oct 21, 2012.

  1. BlackSheepJ

    BlackSheepJ Central Washington Member

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    I haven't posted before, because I generally don't think I have much to contribute, but today I had a scare with a fake rifle. Just fyi, this happened when I was working, around dusk. I normally carry on my person, but not when I am working.

    Anyways, I was just leaving a customer's home, and got into my vehicle to leave. The house was in a cookie cutter development with the neighbor's driveway maybe ten yards away. I was backing up and saw movement behind the neighbor's car. I recognized the side profile of the for-grip, barrel and front sight post of an AR-15, coming over the hood of the car. I'm in my car, barely in the street, when I see this, and my first reaction was ram the car, because somebody is hiding behind a car, pointing a rifle at me. As I am shifting, I keep my eyes on the rifle and just barely make out the orange barrel plug. It was a toy, and I am freaking out. I drive by, and the toy rifle is still pointed at me, following me in the car. It was being held by a child, maybe 12-14 years old, probably wearing his Halloween costume, and pretending to be in a Call of Duty game or something. The toy really did look like a real rifle, with just an orange plug in the barrel.

    I am not happy to admit that, for about two seconds, I was planning to run down a kid. If the time of day had been a little later, or if I hadn't noticed the barrel plug, I might have. I am still a little freaked, because of the what-ifs that keep cropping up. If I'd had my pistol, would I have shot a kid? Did his parents realize what he was doing, or care? Should I have stopped and told them? Maybe act like a hall monitor and called the cops?

    So I have decided, none of my kids will get toy guns, ever. I have of course heard of the stories where cops have shot kids with fake guns, but I never thought I would be in that situation...

    What do you guys think? Am I an ***? Am I overreacting about a stupid kid? Or was this kid's parents asleep? Would you buy your kids a realistic toy gun? Would you not warn them not to screw around in public with it? Tell me I am not being close minded, please?
     
  2. PX4WA

    PX4WA Tacoma, WA Active Member

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    No toy guns for my kids too.. Stuff like that gets people killed...
     
  3. Greenbug

    Greenbug Bend Well-Known Member

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    Wether or not to give your kids toy guns is a parental decision. Unfortunately it is also a parental decision how closely kids are monitored with said toy guns. Some people are lacking in parental supervision, kids will be kids. Glad it made you think, and am very relieved you kept a cool head.
     
  4. simpleguy

    simpleguy Clackamas Active Member

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    You're not over the edge. I have 2 kids.
    Kid#1, you could put out cigarette's, porn and alcohol and say "we're going out, don't touch this stuff", she'd leave it alone, not a problem.
    Kid#2, is a little me, he's the one that is our, "hey everybody, watch this!" kid.

    I'm pretty sure you saw a little me. Try as I might, I'm sure my 2nd child is going to cause lots of heartache over the years. Not to say that the 1st one will be nightmare free.

    What I'm saying is, 1/2 of me thinks you should run the parents down and beat them. The other very libertarian 1/2 of me thinks those toy guns should look like guns and let Darwin do his business. You make a good argument, but I still pine for the days when toy guns looked like guns.

    1. You wouldn't have shot the kid, you would have done what your training tells you, RUN!
    2. His parents probably have had the same conversation I did with mine and would have kicked his behind if they knew.
    3. I probably would have knocked on the door.......but that's me, I'd like to know what my kids are doing, but I grew up in a small town where your parents knew what you did before you got home.
    4. You are not a *****! My boy has toy guns and will take a straw and turn it into a gun because he loves guns so much, but we try not to let him play with them in public.
    5. You are not necessarily being closed minded, but I think as a society(remember, I'm pretty libertarian) we need to get MORE involved with each other and have less broadstroked rules/laws. A lot of it depends on the kids and the kids' friends.
     
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  5. timac

    timac Loading Magazines! Well-Known Member

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  6. Mikej

    Mikej Portland Gold Supporter Gold Supporter 2015 Volunteer 2016 Volunteer

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    If you're going to give your kids realistic, modeled after real gun, toy guns, you damned well better be teaching them the four basic rules of gun handling!! I'm not sure how you'd address the kids playing cops and robbers and such in the culdesac on summer evenings......But, leveling any toy guns at strangers seems wrong to me, and inviting problems.

    Now those big goofy looking NERF guns.....Sure wish those were around when I was a kid. We used to have Wrist rocket fights, lucky none of us lost eyes!

    Sure glad I don't have kids sometimes.

    Mike
     
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  7. Stomper

    Stomper Oceania Rising White Is The New Brown Silver Supporter

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    I lived to play "Army/war" (complete with punji sticks & boobie traps... ) and running around with toy guns when I was a kid, we even painted them to make them as realistic as could be, too.... never got into trouble or freaked anyone out.

    That being said, after my (real) Army tour and being deployed, I have never given my kids toy guns other than those "super-soaker" water guns (OBVIOUSLY not real looking) when they were little. Things (and kids) are "just different" over the last couple of decades, maybe my perspective changed after being a Jolly Green Giant walking the earth with guns for Uncle Sam, but I didn't want my kids having a flippant attitude towards guns and their use.

    First person shooter video games have definitely skewed the perspectives of youngsters, mine walk around spouting this spec/statistic for "this or that" weapon, it's cyclic rate or fire, weight, effective range, etc. Two of my sons are quite good at Call of Duty and a few others... but I'm always in the background laughing and calling them "couch commandos" because they have no clue how much that stuff really weighs... I mean really, an AK with 800 rounds, a SCAR with 600 rounds, a Dragonov with 200 rounds, a H&K G36 with 500 rounds, an RPG with 4 rounds, a Sig or Beretta with 150 rounds... all at the same time while running around shooting and swapping between weapons on the fly.... PULEASE! LOL!

    I give them an occasional dose of reality by actually taking them out to the range and trying to shoot as good as dad with real guns... Its a riot watching my sons TRY and hit a clay target with one of our Mossberg 500's (flinch!)... then have their younger sister out shoot them with rifles after that... Then make them clean the guns... LOL!

    I think I have found the right mix for our family of "firearms fantasy" and the cold hard reality that guns are a POWERFUL tool that can change, ruin, take, or even save lives... and they know it.
     
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  8. jordanvraptor

    jordanvraptor Oregon City, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Throw into the mix that some people have painted orange on the end of real guns... :(

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  9. BigNickShooting

    BigNickShooting Centralia, WA Active Member

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    Why would they do that?
     
  10. BlackSheepJ

    BlackSheepJ Central Washington Member

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    I'd imagine that the reason is to make anyone seeing the rifle hesitate, mainly LEOs. I've heard about gang members spray-painting pistols for just this purpose.
     
  11. Kelzebubba

    Kelzebubba Fort Worth, TX/USA Public Outhouse Active Member

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    I am all for toy guns that look in no way realistic, like the space laser guns and such. However making ones look real, they need to be treated as if they are real. I would have ran over the kid, and at the words of another, watch Darwinism at work.
     
  12. Sgt Nambu

    Sgt Nambu Oregon Bronze Supporter Bronze Supporter

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    Well Great! Now another thing to watch out for!
     
  13. locobob

    locobob Beaverton, Oregon Well-Known Member

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    I think you guys are overreacting and that society in general has become way too consumed with irrational fear. Stranger on stranger shootings are exceedingly rare, why jump to worst case conclusions first? I used to run the neighborhood playing war with realistic toy guns, no one ever called the cops or freaked out on me. We had plenty of violent crime back then, more so than today... but oddly attitudes seem to have changed in the opposite way.
     
  14. mkwerx

    mkwerx Forest Grove, OR Well-Known Member

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    When I was a kid, I had realistic looking toy guns that, save for a couple cowboy revolvers (with orange tips), were colored all blue, red, orange, or yellow. They wouldn't be mistaken for a real gun (at least back then - no one was duracoating guns in these colors). I lived in the country - ran around our orchard and the adjacent fields playing war or cops & robbers. Then I was given my own BB rifle when I was 9 and I happily wandered the woods shooting gophers, moles, and the occasional starling when they'd start eating the tops out of our vegetables in teh garden. My old man also told me that if I ever pointed a gun - toy or not - at someone else, he'd beat my *** with a belt. And so I never pointed a gun at someone. He taught me gun safety, he taught me how to act properly and not like a little **** head.

    I don't mind realisticly styled guns - so long as they're not realistically colored. My boy will probably have some when he gets older (he's only 1.5 years) - but they'll damn sure be painted or colored in a way so that no one is going to think "oh my god he's got a gun" unless they're retarded. And he'll get told the same thing I was - point it at someone and get a sore ***. But I'm not going to deprive him of fun at the same time. I'd rather he was running around the house physically playing, instead of playing Call of Duty on the playstation.

    I want my boy to grow up a boy - and not some pussified nancyboy that seems to be the direction society is pushing boys these days. He'll learn firearms safety, he'll learn how to behave around people, and how not to behave. If he breaks the rules - he looses the toys (and the privilege of shooting my real guns, when he's big enough) until he can show more maturity.

    He'll also have the nerf guns and super soakers to run around a neighborhood with.
     
  15. ZA_Survivalist

    ZA_Survivalist Oregon AK's all day.

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    These anti toy gun statements are just as bad as anti gun statements.

    Its the S-head kids and their parents who need to teach them that they cannot go running around in the streets playing war games.
    I'm all for youngins having toy guns, pellet guns and .22's but all with time and with lessons taught.

    Nerf and Super Soakers are just fine to run around with, the shapes look like future guns from "men in black" or something silly like that.

    But the Airsoft. I understand kids like to play war and thats just fine, but when the toy guns start looking real the restrictions come out. No front yard play, NO aiming at a person not involved with the Airsoft war, no shooting at any pets or animals unless you're going to kill and eat the said animal, no shooting at anyone if the safety equipment isn't on. (goggles..etc.)

    Again, it all comes back to the parents and teaching the kids what is right and what is wrong.
    People who don't allow kids to hear swear words in movies or play with toy guns retards the kid socially and puts a type of evil stigma to firearms in general that later shows when the kid goes off and shoots someone.

    I was raised like my father and his father before him. There are rules you need to follow and responsibilities that come into play.
    There will also be swift and REAL punishment (not this no X-box for a week garbage) but a good swat to the behind.

    Also that orange tip AR 15 is pretty funny.
    For all the safety queens here.. lighten up. If you went on youtube I'm sure you'd see the smack talk war that goes on between Airsofters and real firearm owners or folks claiming to own a real firearm when its just an airsoft gun.. its all in good fun and its just a picture. I highly doubt the owner is trying to fool any leos. But it would be funny to show that to a BATF genious that again thinks you can turn an Airsoft gun into a select fire weapon.
    Get real.
     
  16. PDXSparky

    PDXSparky Keizer / Hillsboro Well-Known Member

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    +1.

    I had toy guns growing up, but that was 40 years ago. These days the plastic guns look too real, not like the shiny chrome "45's" or the red rider BB gun I had back then. Thankfully, my kids are now young adults, so my 21 y/o son gets real guns now and knows how to handle them properly.
     
  17. sprocket3

    sprocket3 Oregon - Wet Side Member

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    That's how i feel.
     
  18. deen_ad

    deen_ad Vancouver, WA Well-Known Member

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    I had toy guns but that was almost 60 years ago. Back then people weren't irrationally afraid of guns like they are now.
     
  19. BillyDa59

    BillyDa59 King County, WA Member

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    I also think people are irrationally fearful of guns today. HOWEVER, I think anybody that was in the OP's situation would be pretty freaked out. What appears to be a man hunched down behind a vehicle, pointing a real rifle at you -- this would've been scary 60 years ago too.

    Airsoft players usually do their business off in the woods, away from public. When I was 10 yrs old and playing war games, all my weapons were 2x4s with nails for triggers and pistol grips. Would I have had more fun with a replica airsoft Mauser? Oh yea... so much more fun. However I think even my crappy 2x4s were good enough for 10 yr old me and a replica rifle very easily could have caused more trouble than it was worth.

    I also don't think a kid should become accustomed to pointing a replica rifle at his friends. One of the hardest things to teach to new shooters is muzzle control.
     
  20. BigNickShooting

    BigNickShooting Centralia, WA Active Member

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    Muzzle Control? I think the first thing kids should be taught at any age about guns is that you don't point a gun (even if it is a toy) at somebody. I learned it the hard way ... When I was 8, I pointed my toy gun (which was very realistic, believe me) at my Grandma who was older and had a heart condition. One thing ... my Grandpa was a cop and one in a while he would bring his gun home after range time to clean it. Well ... my Grandma thought I took his gun and pointed it at her and said: "Hands up or I'll shoot you" ... She almost had a heart attack ... Well ... both my parents and my Grandpa beat the s**t out of me and especially my Grandpa told me: You never point a gun, be it fake or real, at somebody unless you're in a threatening situation for you and you intend to kill that person" ... Believe me... those words are still ringing in my ears ...